tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post1996390581577791624..comments2023-10-07T22:37:49.244+13:00Comments on The Hand Mirror: supporting the teacherskatyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15742280289613450293noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-40060280729469878102010-09-18T18:28:42.684+12:002010-09-18T18:28:42.684+12:00anon, i've removed your comment because you di...anon, i've removed your comment because you did not put in a handle as per the clear directions right above the comment box. feel free to post again, but complying with our requirements.<br /><br />and please take some time to get informed before you do comment. you don't appear to realise that teachers need time to prepare lessons, they also are involved a LOT of non-contact work, from staff meetings, patrolling the grounds, coaching, school plays, meetings with parents, etc. maybe find out about the job and what the actual hours are, before you show your ignorance again.stargazerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430290445762377335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-28266930951288849322010-09-18T07:59:49.414+12:002010-09-18T07:59:49.414+12:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-2197076332785557672010-09-16T17:43:25.268+12:002010-09-16T17:43:25.268+12:00Average class sizes of 22.7?!!
If they have manage...Average class sizes of 22.7?!!<br />If they have managed to find figures to create such a claim without lying, then I can only suggest that they are creating meaningless averages (even then i am suspicious of such a figure). Small classes at year 13 will bring the average figure down, but the reality for every school I have taught at is class sizes of 30 for years 9 & 10 and 28 at year 11. This year we have a number of year 12 classes between 30 and 34 in number.<br /><br />The growth in compliance paperwork in the last year alone for NCEA is considerable. I would favour an industrial action where we refused to moderate senior work or enter it onto NZQA until the government addressed the effect of the current administration burden on teachers.Sandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00679010667380926214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-55482041345413409392010-09-16T17:09:19.727+12:002010-09-16T17:09:19.727+12:00Oh FFS JohnNo, Google "feminism 101". As...Oh FFS JohnNo, Google "feminism 101". As Stargazer says, it's not our job to have to walk you through concepts that people should be up to speed on an activist political theory blog. It derails the conversation.<br /><br />It is your responsibility to teach yourself about your "privilege". And if you can't recognize it, or come back here whining that you are of some repressed intersection in spite of, then you have completely missed the point.<br /><br />Ack. Now you made ME derail. <br /><br />As for "what your partner said": very easy to put words in her mouth when she's not actually saying it here herself. How are we supposed to believe that beyond your word, considering how opposed you are towards the discussion.A Nonny Moosenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-51540590593855424552010-09-16T13:47:41.412+12:002010-09-16T13:47:41.412+12:00Explain to me what my priviledge is then.
Juvenil...Explain to me what my priviledge is then.<br /><br />Juvenile talking points? Once again, for a lack of a better arguement, you resort to petty name calling.<br /><br />nomadjohnnyquentin (at) gmail.com<br /><br />JohnNoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-91388247715662727812010-09-16T11:32:47.978+12:002010-09-16T11:32:47.978+12:00because i can't delete part comments here, i&#...because i can't delete part comments here, i'm reposting the part of your comment that wasn't objectionable:<br /><br /><br /><i>teachers are NOT asking for class sizes to be reduced.</i><br /><br />Ok fair call. They only want it to be limited to 30. What I heard is that average class size is 22.7. Not bad, is it... It seems that only year 9 and 10 really ever push past the 30 mark.<br /><br />If you disagree, please read the SCTA claims presentation from the PPTA.<br /><br />CEOs and Directors <br />Compare them with principals or headmasters, not teachers. They are tasked with managing and giving direction to companies/schools. Teachers are purely labourers of the "business".<br /><br /><br />In all honesty, I only have a problem with underperforming teachers getting the same benefits that good teachers get.<br /><br />JohnNostargazerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430290445762377335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-24484898397498849172010-09-16T11:29:45.412+12:002010-09-16T11:29:45.412+12:00it was entirely fair, and you seem to think that y...it was entirely fair, and you seem to think that your juvenile talking points are something new on this blog. sorry, but we've seen off the likes of these many times over. you don't have a clue about privilege, & it is not our job to educate you. you've earned nothing and learned nothing but arrogance. you don't have a clue about anything much really, if you can use the words "purely labourers" without realising that no school could exist without these "labourers", neither could any organisation.<br /><br />but i'm not going to allow comments that are abusive to others here who are suggesting quite appropriately that you educate yourself. nor are you going to get a platform to flaunt your privilege nor denigrate others at this blog.stargazerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430290445762377335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-58668167182495068912010-09-16T11:13:37.907+12:002010-09-16T11:13:37.907+12:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-15761397468734671412010-09-16T10:33:10.600+12:002010-09-16T10:33:10.600+12:00um no johnno, you can't say what you want in o...um no johnno, you can't say what you want in our space. your comments now amount to trolling & abuse & i'm asking you to cease. i've deleted one of your comments & will delete any further ones that are in a similar vein.stargazerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430290445762377335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-52221309657493658622010-09-16T10:23:23.602+12:002010-09-16T10:23:23.602+12:00A Nonny Moose, she actually said herself, with no ...A Nonny Moose, she actually said herself, with no prompt from me, that she disagreed with the demands of the PPTA. But she was willing to support them.<br /><br />Yep that's me, trying to hold back women. <br /><br />JohnNoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-53140529676651930382010-09-16T10:17:21.403+12:002010-09-16T10:17:21.403+12:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-31853905345070272942010-09-15T22:09:07.342+12:002010-09-15T22:09:07.342+12:00Actually, I'm highly amused by the idea of Joh...Actually, I'm highly amused by the idea of JohnNo going up to his teacher partner and saying "Hey! You're being greedy! You don't deserve a pay rise!" like the way he's speaking here.A Nonny Moosenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-28258953848839337402010-09-15T22:01:08.430+12:002010-09-15T22:01:08.430+12:00So, to summon up JohnNo's privileged pontifica...So, to summon up JohnNo's privileged pontificating, he's advocating teachers:<br /><br />- work longer hours, with disregard for lifestyle and family<br />- earn less, with disregard for inflation and a rising cost of living<br />- work in unsafe environments, without back up or social help<br /><br />And you want them to do this for the LOVE of it? Oh oh wait, you have a family member who is a teacher ("I have a friend who is gay/black" trope!, so you know ALLLLL about it. I'm sure if your "partner" saw the way your were appropriating their experience and talking for them, they might be a little annoyed.<br /><br />But possibly your partner is privileged too, and working for a private school. That's the only way you could be "happy" with their pay/conditions. Either that, or you're invested in making sure that she earns less than you.A Nonny Moosenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-44823240582411986982010-09-15T20:42:54.455+12:002010-09-15T20:42:54.455+12:00johnno, i've released your comment and fail to...johnno, i've released your comment and fail to see any useful information. in fact, you again show your lack of understanding with this comment"<br /><br /><i>class sizes are reduced below 30, and they have more "free-periods" then they must be earning more for doing less work.</i><br /><br />teachers are NOT asking for class sizes to be reduced. the ministry is demanding that caps on class sizes come off so that class sizes can be increased, with no upper limit. nor have they been asking for "free periods". they are asking for recognition for the out-of-class work that is a requirement of the job.<br /><br />as for your <i>"I don't want people becoming teachers to earn money rather than give pour children educations."</i>, again you have failed to make the case for why this shouldn't apply to all professions. eg i don't want people becoming police officers to earn money rather than give "pour" communities safety. i don't want people becoming doctors to earn money rather than give "pour" people access to healthcare. i don't want people becoming engineers to earn money rather that give "pour" communities safe roads, buildings & the like. you continue to fail to explain why teachers should have this restriction of "not being there to earn money", when you don't place it on other professions. nor does your either/or dichotomy stand. it is possible to care about children's education & expect a decent salary for the hard work put in. if anyone is overpaid, it certainly isn't teachers. i'd suggest you turn your attention to CEOs & directors of corporations, to heads of our ministries and the like if you want to find people who are overpaid compared to the hours of work they put in.<br /><br />as for your being "entitled to give your opinion", remember that you are a guest in our space when you comment on this blog, and your entitlement is limited to that which we choose to let you have. of course, you could choose to express your opinion on your own blog, in which case your entitlements would be unlimited.stargazerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430290445762377335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-39611062330721137092010-09-15T19:33:32.931+12:002010-09-15T19:33:32.931+12:00Results from the International Adult Literacy Surv...Results from the International Adult Literacy Survey conducted in New Zealand in March 1996 by Maurice Walker and Karl Udy may help you understand where Boganette is coming from Anon.<br /><br />Three important findings from the study that you may wish to consider were that "The majority of Māori, Pacific Islands people and those from other ethnic minority groups are functioning below the level of competence in literacy required to effectively meet the demands of everyday life" and "Labour force status and income are related to level of literacy" and "Māori with tertiary qualifications have literacy profiles similar to those of tertiary educated European/Pakeha".<br /><br />Like Boganette I too have a short fuse when it comes to privileged Pakeha making jokes about literacy without ever considering how many New Zealanders are denied that basic right through class, status or colour.<br /><br />- Pam GPam Gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-51223341890228524042010-09-15T17:33:59.222+12:002010-09-15T17:33:59.222+12:00JohnNo aka Anon,
As I said, I understood the grap...JohnNo aka Anon,<br /><br />As I said, I understood the graphs....it is all smoke and mirrors. Much like your arguments.<br /><br />Re the policeman<br /><br />What you don't want to understand is that you'd have to reach into your pocket for a policeman whether it came out of the Minstry of Ed budget or the Police budget. Unfortunately, people don't seem to fund either of those sufficiently.<br /><br />Finally, I must say Adiós (and I mean it...I did have hopes you did as well when you said it earlier...but it was not to be :)). I am actually going to spend time with my family...something I'm not normally able to do this early in the day as I'm usually just arriving back from work after teaching, attending long meetings and parent conferences...what is more amazing...is I can dedicate the entire evening to them as well instead of marking and making lesson plans. What a life!Aliyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-4158570008077737862010-09-15T17:12:40.383+12:002010-09-15T17:12:40.383+12:00oops that last one was from me.
JohnNo!oops that last one was from me.<br /><br />JohnNo!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-32200168387925147452010-09-15T17:10:31.698+12:002010-09-15T17:10:31.698+12:00Aliya
Then it seems you don't understand grap...Aliya<br /><br />Then it seems you don't understand graphs! Look at the one I pointed out, it's rather simple and doesn't require a statistics degree.<br /><br />Compare the lower bracket in 2000 to the lower bracket in 2010. or whatever else you want to on the graph. I'm not sure where they get the so called "average", and I'm not disputing that it is worded or explained incorrectly.<br />The fact is there has been a 45% pay increase over 10 years, nevermind if they have called it the wrong thing.<br /><br />My old school had onsite police/community constable. I'm sure if your school was really that bad, it too would have onsite police! By the way, that funding came from the police budget, not our school's.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-69306715630533047582010-09-15T17:05:19.577+12:002010-09-15T17:05:19.577+12:00Anon,
I certainly did look at the links...and tha...Anon,<br /><br />I certainly did look at the links...and that was why I wanted to explain to you why the Ministry is LYING and why John Key and Anne Tolley are as well. the average teacher does not get management units....and must take increased workloads to get the numbers they are claiming are "averages". To use a footnote or a parentheses to make a sound bite for the media to support a bad position is just sad.<br /> <br />Now I would happily have police in our schools...then I wouldn't have to deal with the outside behavioural issues <br />...unfortunately, no one is willing to pay for them to be there and the police themselves are claiming they are overworked and underpaid.<br /><br />Anon, are you willing to dig into your pocket to fund the policeman for my school. If you are I'll take a lower pay increase for the safer conditions...for your kids, my kids and for the teachers and administrators I work with.Aliyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-34819102738646358552010-09-15T16:57:02.011+12:002010-09-15T16:57:02.011+12:00stargazer. Another post of mine has vanished. It h...stargazer. Another post of mine has vanished. It has important information for you!<br /><br />JNAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-72718788673329928212010-09-15T16:54:43.839+12:002010-09-15T16:54:43.839+12:00Aliya, it seems that you are once again, incorrect...Aliya, it seems that you are once again, incorrect.<br /><br />Check the first link I provided.<br /><br />While the wording is slightly off check the graph titled "Comparison of average teacher pay". Look at the key and tell me again how my stats are incorrect...<br /><br />Did you even look at the link I gave you? If you did, I really hope you aren't a maths teacher.<br /><br />I'm sorry to hear that you have had trouble with violent students. Luckily the police are there to help with that!<br /><br />JohnNoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-71705136117451115792010-09-15T16:50:35.485+12:002010-09-15T16:50:35.485+12:00That's true, LadyNews. And it would be great ...That's true, LadyNews. And it would be great to have that much funding to be able to show how much we value our teachers. They are doing a very important job. But there are other ways to show that too, and when funding is low then maybe we should look at them as well? <br />I am also looking at this from a bit of a jaded point of view, having personally experienced a lot of belt-tightening and a redundancy in the past 18 months, along with several close friends; I can't help but think if the money isn't there then it's time to find other solutions. After all, the extra funds have to come from somewhere - health? higher taxes? tightening up welfare again? Possibly unfair to project my personal situation on to other people, but there you go.Mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-64806097017363906832010-09-15T16:49:49.269+12:002010-09-15T16:49:49.269+12:00Regarding 4% being too much. Please remember that...Regarding 4% being too much. Please remember that inflation rate on consumer prices alone last year was 4%. See http://www.indexmundi.com/new_zealand/inflation_rate_(consumer_prices).html<br /><br />Then let's add going forward that we are now dealing with a GST increase next month....Teachers are just asking to hold ground financially and to get decent safe working conditions.<br /><br />Finally, I love teaching... but "Love doesn't pay the bills"Aliyanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-70816252552985038022010-09-15T16:42:30.401+12:002010-09-15T16:42:30.401+12:00Sorry, that was in response to MSorry, that was in response to MLadyNewshttp://www.ladynews.co.nznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-35385951384797978312010-09-15T16:41:45.020+12:002010-09-15T16:41:45.020+12:00Anonymous.
My researched stats are on my own pay ...Anonymous.<br /><br />My researched stats are on my own pay cheque. I am at the highest payrate available to any teacher in N.Z. and that is presently $68,980.00....unless one takes on management responsibilities. Thus there is no way the the Ministry of Education's stats and Ann Tolley's statements are accurate (i.e. indicating that "The average teacher now earns $71,110") If the highest wage is 68,980 without taking on additional duties and work...then there is no way that average wage of teacher or the calculations of the Ministry are any way near accurate. To take the lowest salary available 10 years ago and use $3000 above the available income of the highest paid teacher to claim there has been a 45% increase is just ridiculous and show the willingness of this Government to scheme and lie to try and fool the public. Sorry you've been taken.<br /><br />Again OECD report indicates how overworked and underpaid NZ teachers are (i.e. 200 more hours teaching each year than the average OECD educator...not just the Australian educators) and are salary package rates near the bottom of the all the OECD countries...not just Australia.<br /><br />Finally, working conditions are the major point. We've had students bring knives to school. In the past two years, I've personally had a bottle thrown at me and had H.S. students kick at me and take swings at me in one incident in an effort to try and intimidate me when I asked them to stop throwing a rugby ball by school windows.Aliyanoreply@blogger.com