tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post3253074164928872491..comments2023-10-07T22:37:49.244+13:00Comments on The Hand Mirror: The benefits of Travelling While Whitekatyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15742280289613450293noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-26541435182014776372011-06-29T10:15:41.045+12:002011-06-29T10:15:41.045+12:00I have deleted an anonymous comment. Remember we d...I have deleted an anonymous comment. Remember we don't allow anonymous commenting.Maiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17212711843307060731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-44720138244352353212011-06-24T19:02:02.137+12:002011-06-24T19:02:02.137+12:00Slight tangent here but....Someone I know who is h...Slight tangent here but....Someone I know who is high up and well known in the NZ Classical music industry once wrote 'musician' on her form, and was searched (not sure if it was strip searched, or just her belongings).<br /><br />From then on, she has written "professor" without any problems.<br /><br />Profiling sux.Foggy in Nelsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09672853416820424778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-6103028827901631882011-06-24T18:32:58.758+12:002011-06-24T18:32:58.758+12:00Thanks stargazer, for dealing with Fish/Bicycle/Sn...Thanks stargazer, for dealing with Fish/Bicycle/Snapper whatever's comment and binning it. In complete agreement that was the right thing to do because F/B/S your continued offensive comments about Muslims are discriminatory, not "perfectly valid".<br />To Brett - of course people are treated differently if they look pretty - that's not what this post is about though. And I think I'd misunderstood your first comment, because I thought you were expressing sympathy around profiling. <br />I do believe every white person has white privilege - but that it plays out differently in different situations depending on your gender, sexuality, age, country of origin, religion etc etc etc - of course.<br />Anthea, Rebecca, ta :-)<br />The Shrill Whining Liberal Preener ;-)LudditeJournohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13154447284268192467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-12293841231032695952011-06-24T16:45:22.748+12:002011-06-24T16:45:22.748+12:00thanks for a refreshing, honest post. i have had ...thanks for a refreshing, honest post. i have had many experiences in airports all over the world of sailing through customs while people of colour got hassled and hassled and hassled - even when i was re-entering the UK on someone else's visa and when asked where he was, waving vaguely and saying "just over there" (being chatted to a few desks down) was just fine, thank you very much ma'am, have a nice day.<br /><br />meanwhile, the tall, kaftan-ed African man next to me was grilled extensively, before/during/after my breeze through. i don't know if he got through customs OK, because i was already on the tube on my way home.<br /><br />i really think that if any white person can't be helped to see the extent of white privilege fairly easily, they are really kidding themselves. it just seems so obvious.Rebeccanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-33387092458290200152011-06-24T16:06:58.499+12:002011-06-24T16:06:58.499+12:00When I used to work for the Department of Internal...When I used to work for the Department of Internal Affairs we profiled quite extensively on the basis of ethnicity. I was initially uncomfortable with it, but after several years working there it seemed to be justified.DPF:TLDRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06372937855256319716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-47150044143357727742011-06-24T15:45:24.768+12:002011-06-24T15:45:24.768+12:00read the comments policy: we don't have discus...read the comments policy: we don't have discussions on moderation in comments thread. if you have a problem with decisions, email us. also, if you read the words above the comments box, you'll see we ask you to use a consistent handle. if you want to keep commenting here, i suggest you learn to respect the rules of this space.<br /><br />as to your substantive comment: profession does not equal race or ethnicity. moreover, checking particular types of products does not equal racial or ethnic profiling. and at the moment, you're the only one whose sounding shrill and whiny here.stargazerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430290445762377335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-72588549968501993442011-06-24T15:36:34.449+12:002011-06-24T15:36:34.449+12:00I work in horticulture and for some reason I am al...I work in horticulture and for some reason I am always stopped at bio-security, and questioned closely, sometimes even my baggage has been searched. That is because I am honest about my profession.<br /><br /> Perhaps MAF think that I might be bringing in seeds or plants into the country? Perhaps the demographic I am in leads them to suspect, through past experience that I might be more likely than the next person to do such a thing?<br /><br />Hard to believe they would think such a thing , but it is true.<br />Do I get shrill and complain about this vicious profiling of gardeners? No I breathe deeply and suffer the inconvenience for the good of my country.<br /><br />I understand that as a muslim your frustration is quite justified and valid, but I attempted to explain the reasons for the current situation in my perfectly good posts which you apprehended at the border.Snapper on a tricyclenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-83967618742645319962011-06-24T15:03:09.089+12:002011-06-24T15:03:09.089+12:00@Brett, that's not the point. No-one's say...@Brett, that's not the point. No-one's saying that other people can't get profiled. I used to - and sometimes still do - probably because I had an unusual passport, traveled long haul with only hand luggage, struggle to make eye contact and often look generally anxious. The point is - and I'm acutely aware of this - that if I were identifiably Muslim I'd get it a whole lot more. I'd imagine the same would apply to you.<br /><br />@LJ Thanks for this post. I engage in petty acts of protest too, and this is a worthy reminder that not everyone can.antheahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05977317113072185299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-46140128041683440712011-06-24T15:01:27.028+12:002011-06-24T15:01:27.028+12:00oops, i didn't meant to delete completely fish...oops, i didn't meant to delete completely fish, but when i said i'm not going to tolerate that stuff on this site, i meant it.<br /><br />brett, i don't doubt your experience. i'm saying to you that racial & ethnic profiling does occur, most governments are open about it, and the eivdence shows that it's pretty much a waste of time - at least that's what we were told by a senior staff member of nz customs.stargazerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430290445762377335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-54229271139574614542011-06-24T14:52:05.725+12:002011-06-24T14:52:05.725+12:00Stargazer,
I always get profiled, Im a short, sle...Stargazer,<br /><br />I always get profiled, Im a short, sleazy ugly looking fucker, according to my parents, I look like the guy from midnight express, and that is why I always get searched according to them, I always get picked for a routine bag search, if I go to a mall, I always get followed by store security.<br /><br />It happens to people of all races, if you are an ugly son of a gun and white, you arent going to get as good as treament as a good looking looking white guy.<br /><br />I have been profiled for what I look like and my statue, if I complain, people shout from the rooftops, "Short guy Syndrome"<br /><br />Believe me Not every white person has white privilege, or getting great because of the colour of their skin.Brett Dalehttp://mediasportandotherrantings.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-58813343010909130072011-06-24T13:43:17.058+12:002011-06-24T13:43:17.058+12:00Most muslims are not hijackers, but most hijackers...<i>Most muslims are not hijackers, but most hijackers are muslim</i><br /><br />bullshit. and i'm not prepared to tolerate that kind of bigotry here. there are plenty of places on the internet you can go to peddle that kind of that commentary, this isn't one of them.<br /><br />apologies LJ, hope you don't mind me deleting this comment.stargazerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430290445762377335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-7280145750769299442011-06-24T13:26:04.714+12:002011-06-24T13:26:04.714+12:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Fish needing bikenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-57509870243071865202011-06-24T12:38:19.203+12:002011-06-24T12:38:19.203+12:00Hi Bicycle,
this isn't about having hurt feeli...Hi Bicycle,<br />this isn't about having hurt feelings. It's about being treated differently because of the colour of your skin. Which has enormous, real life impacts in all kinds of ways on our health, our access to resources, our ability to treat ourselves and each other with respect, being able to find work we're qualified for or a house we want to live in or whatever.<br />I don't think stereotyping "young guys with middle eastern dress and religious beards" (code for Muslim I'm guessing????) as needing to be searched is ok. No, I wouldn't be happier if they were searched on a plane I was on.LudditeJournohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13154447284268192467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-2291112625176848482011-06-24T12:36:17.892+12:002011-06-24T12:36:17.892+12:00and that's where your stupidity is showing thr...and that's where your stupidity is showing through fish person. they guys blowing planes were clean-shaven & in western dress. how about getting a clue? it's not like this stuff isn't all over the papers. in fact, if you look at the figures in europe, fare more damage has been caused by white extremisits in the last decade than by guys in headress & beards.<br /><br />you're so fussed by "feelings" that you can't understand the concept of justice. and brett, just piss off. it doesn't "happen to all", and it doesn't happen in an equal manner. customs in nz openly say they profile by country. they say that their profiling system throws up about 8,000 people for searches, of which about 1 or 2 was ever correct. in fact they are thinking of ditching the whole system because it provides such useless results.stargazerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430290445762377335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-67868617449358629592011-06-24T12:26:32.577+12:002011-06-24T12:26:32.577+12:00Hey stargazer, yeah, was thinking when I was writi...Hey stargazer, yeah, was thinking when I was writing this about more recent migration experiences to NZ, and how I'm sure there are stories to be told.<br />I've met one woman, arriving as a refugee from a long way away, who wasn't told which country she was coming to and initially believed she was in Australia. <br />Brett - yep, I know my juvenile profession thing is pretty dumb. No excuses.LudditeJournohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13154447284268192467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-57444488373902656152011-06-24T12:23:03.491+12:002011-06-24T12:23:03.491+12:00Having all this “White Privilege” TM. doesn’t see...Having all this “White Privilege” TM. doesn’t seem to work for me, in fact I seem to get profiled a lot. I think the security people need to fill a quota and they pick me out because they sense that I am such a cheerful and tolerant person, and I won’t complain.<br />Yes my privileged life has been made so much easier ever since those presbyterians started hijacking planes.<br /><br />And those 70 year old nuns get the once over too, we all know what mayhem nuns have caused in the air. The 20 something Arab guys with the headress and the religious beards, yes they should go sailing through. <br /><br />A question for you – would you be happier getting on the same plane knowing that the old nuns had been searched,but not the young guys with the middle eastern dress and religious beards? All safe in the knowledge that no-one had been stereotyped or had their feelings hurt? After all, not hurting feelings is so important.Bicycle with fishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-82053062442179110232011-06-24T11:36:45.987+12:002011-06-24T11:36:45.987+12:00So you lie on your visitor visa before entering an...So you lie on your visitor visa before entering another country? Thats not a good idea.<br /><br />It must be awful to be profiled, it happens to all, it never happens to that guy, but it happens to the other guy.Brett Dalehttp://mediasportandotherrantings.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-61083371890305109362011-06-24T11:10:08.961+12:002011-06-24T11:10:08.961+12:00uh, fish, we expect a better quality of comment on...uh, fish, we expect a better quality of comment on this site. the fact that you can't actually respond to anything in the post shows that you don't have anything to say.<br /><br />thanx for the post LJ. i'm reminded of the meeting the muslim community had with customs, immigration, police & SIS a couple of months back. the stories of travel experiences and treatment in nz was bad enough. i know that many overseas countries are much worse.stargazerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430290445762377335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-5478646131069964532011-06-24T11:04:12.079+12:002011-06-24T11:04:12.079+12:00Feeling better?
If there were an airport sensor f...Feeling better? <br />If there were an airport sensor for liberal status preening and decorative white guilt, you would be right off the charts!<br />Either way, as long as you come out feeling morally superior that is the main thing.Fish on bicyclenoreply@blogger.com