tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post4193807857481384690..comments2023-10-07T22:37:49.244+13:00Comments on The Hand Mirror: missing the pointkatyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15742280289613450293noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-91174024566371489092012-03-01T12:08:06.588+13:002012-03-01T12:08:06.588+13:00James - I can think of almost nothing more sexist ...James - I can think of almost nothing more sexist and misogynist than telling women they think the way they do because they are not "pretty". <br />It's unusual for me to say this, but please just go away. Anything even vaguely close to that again and I will personally be removing it.LudditeJournohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13154447284268192467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-74812533209166275342012-03-01T09:41:48.562+13:002012-03-01T09:41:48.562+13:00"Just how are these Women being "hot on ..."Just how are these Women being "hot on Arron's terms" and not their own?"<br /><br />Under the criteria of socialized acceptable beauty: white, thin, tall, big boobs, small waist, fit, wearing skimpy clothing.<br /><br />"Less attractive frumpy Women envious at their more desirable sisters getting all the attention"<br /><br />Oh James, did you have to use such an obvious bingo point? You have no idea what we look like. We don't need you approval of our looks to be happy with ourselves. And, of course, why should a woman's looks be her defining attribute. Oh that's right - YOUR PEEN.A Nonny Moosenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-75688720899480360872012-03-01T01:29:03.330+13:002012-03-01T01:29:03.330+13:00ANMOUSE: You do realize that by removing sexist i...ANMOUSE: <i> You do realize that by removing sexist imagery from advertising there will still be "hot" (subjective opinion) women? Just that they'll be hot under their terms, not yours.</i><br /><br />Just how are these Women being "hot on Arron's terms" and not their own? They want to be in these ads,they exercise hard and beautify themselves as that's what they have to trade in the market...and when they do well and get these ad jobs they rake in the payoff.<br /><br />The Tui ads exploit Men and their sexual interests to sell beer. And these Women are laughing all the way to the bank.<br /><br />This beat up is really about the same old gripe.Less attractive frumpy Women envious at their more desirable sisters getting all the attention. Hiding this envy behind the vail of feminism fools no one...Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04310626827486809184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-7150431349520954172012-02-29T19:10:27.247+13:002012-02-29T19:10:27.247+13:00Anonymous: You said it's very American. Actual...Anonymous: You said it's very American. Actually that type of Humour would appear to be more British.<br /><br />I still stand by original thoughts, I hate the ads, I wont buy the product, I would even write to them, suggesting they change their advertising. They still should be allowed to air the ads if they want to, no matter how sexist they are.Brett Dalehttp://mediasportandotherrantings.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-26615452732307982522012-02-29T10:37:02.924+13:002012-02-29T10:37:02.924+13:00aaron, you either haven't read the post or hav...aaron, you either haven't read the post or haven't been able to understand what you've read. see this bit:<br /><br /><i>see, ms carlson's defense of the women in the ads seems to imply that it is those women who are somehow under attack. this is not the case.</i><br /><br />i thought that was pretty plain english. no-one is criticising those women's choice to be in the ads. maybe that's a difficult concept for you to get your head around.stargazerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430290445762377335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-72798212931467146232012-02-29T09:46:12.207+13:002012-02-29T09:46:12.207+13:00Aaron, your cognitive dissonance is astounding.
...Aaron, your cognitive dissonance is astounding. <br /><br />You do realize that by removing sexist imagery from advertising there will still be "hot" (subjective opinion) women? Just that they'll be hot under their terms, not yours.<br /><br />Boo hoo, women claiming back their bodies. Your pour peen.A Nonny Moosenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-5169335447441739272012-02-29T02:17:33.452+13:002012-02-29T02:17:33.452+13:00The Tui women are hot, if they want to show off th...The Tui women are hot, if they want to show off their bodies on a tv commercial then let them, I definitely enjoy looking! The market obviously has a demand for these commercials and Tui is just filling a gap in the market. Get Lucy Lawless on one of those Tui ads and off that stupid boat!Aaron Changnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-16509243141099856222012-02-28T19:10:25.654+13:002012-02-28T19:10:25.654+13:00@KA: the last line in your first comment sounds v...@KA: the last line in your first comment sounds very much like the defeatist attitude most activists get. any minority taking action is told they're wasting their time, it won't work, there are more important things, no-one's listening, no-one likes them, or any one of 100 other things which are intentionally demotivational. luckily activists throughout history ignore this stuff and carry on regardless. sometimes they achieve good results, sometimes they don't.<br /><br />but the thing is, it depends on what counts as good results. in this case, i wouldn't call a good result being tui totally changing their campaign, because that's unrealistic (though possible). a good result for me has already been achieved in terms of raising awareness, getting some people to think about the issue, creating spaces where those who disagree with the tui campaign can voice their concerns. it's putting something into the public discourse that wasn't there before.<br /><br />and let's recognise that it comes at a cost, particularly to the wonderful women who have chosen to speak out. that cost is in verbal abuse and harassment in this case. sometimes it's more than that.<br /><br />in any case, best of luck of with your meeting tomorrow leonie, and congratulations on what you've achieved so far. as far as i'm concerned, the fact that you've got them to the table to have this conversation is already a huge achievement. there are plenty of us who are behind you all the way.stargazerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430290445762377335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-3073442156645411482012-02-28T18:33:36.126+13:002012-02-28T18:33:36.126+13:00@A Nonny Moose
I said various other things in my...@A Nonny Moose<br /><br />I said various other things in my comment which you can read above. If you want to reply to something I didn't say I don't know why you address your comment to me.<br /><br />K.AAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-59180400677186583752012-02-28T15:44:03.197+13:002012-02-28T15:44:03.197+13:00K.A: Are you saying that feminism is an American o...K.A: Are you saying that feminism is an American only activist stance? That gender equality belongs in another country? That NZ women should just suck it up and be sexually objectified and treated like isht?<br /><br />No, you say you don't think it will work because you're either too lazy to care about equality or you don't WANT equality. Either way, we're too busy working for that equality to put up with indifference. Indifference just gets in our way. If you've got nothing helpful to say other than to put the issue down, don't bother saying it.A Nonny Moosenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-26546466560005140972012-02-28T13:11:48.000+13:002012-02-28T13:11:48.000+13:00I've seen her before, she gets laughs by putti...I've seen her before, she gets laughs by putting herself down, "I'm so fat etc" I don't like it and it seems like the audience laugh to be polite. It is very American.<br /><br />I don't really care about the tui ads. I can imagine who those ads are aimed at only a very small demographic of men but probably the most profitable for beer companies. annoying everybody else in the country women and older/more mature men is worth it because young unsophisticated non-urban pakeha men drink more beer than anybody else in NZ put together. I really can't see this anti-tui campaign catching on, it is very American too.<br /><br />K.AAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-9250385273756599672012-02-28T12:52:27.630+13:002012-02-28T12:52:27.630+13:00Great post - thanks - meeting with Tui marketing p...Great post - thanks - meeting with Tui marketing people tomorrow - hopefully, that will be interesting! - cheers, Leonie, Auckland Feminist ActionLeonie Morrisnoreply@blogger.com