tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post4789994291450101320..comments2023-10-07T22:37:49.244+13:00Comments on The Hand Mirror: Don't let the weird nationalism break you up: Thoughts on the Hobbitkatyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15742280289613450293noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-75459442280234561082010-11-01T14:09:11.699+13:002010-11-01T14:09:11.699+13:00My poisnt being, those bollywood movies that film ...My poisnt being, those bollywood movies that film here in Christchurch have a shocking record of treatment of their kiwi actors, but I have never heard of one protest against this from various groups? Why is that?<br /><br />Warner Bros has an excellent track record world wide.Brett Dalehttp://mediasportandotherrantings.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-46900218033516986882010-11-01T13:43:16.808+13:002010-11-01T13:43:16.808+13:00It is the perverse logic that Brett Dale's et ...It is the perverse logic that Brett Dale's et al just used that this excellent posting is pointing out.<br /> <br /> "If you want to go after studios who dont treat their workers right, what about all the Bollywood films that are filmed here, they are left alone though."<br /><br />An old saying says Don't go complaining about the disorder of other peoples houses, before sorting your own out.<br /><br />As a New Zealander we will not be working in Bollywood, let the Indian worry about their rights, and let us get on with worry about ours.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-87625435337924261982010-11-01T12:56:56.284+13:002010-11-01T12:56:56.284+13:00Its Warner's Bros, they wont stand for sexual ...Its Warner's Bros, they wont stand for sexual harrasement of any kind, on one of their sets.<br /><br />If you want to go after studios who dont treat their workers right, what about all the Bollywood films that are filmed here, they are left alone though.<br /><br />The filming of the Hobbit in New Zealand is good news.Brett Dalehttp://mediasportandotherrantings.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-68608917660298470782010-10-29T19:01:29.260+13:002010-10-29T19:01:29.260+13:00"Anon, if the whole thing was an anti-nationa..."Anon, if the whole thing was an anti-nationalist movement why did we hear so much about how the union involved was based in Australia?"<br /><br />It wasn't an anti Nationalist movement...who said it was? Nationalism is a form of collectivism....like socialism,racism,fascism,communism etc.<br /><br />It this case it was a rather mild,spontanous form inspired by some quite understandable anger at people,and an Australian based agitator, who would have hurt us all if the Hobbit had left NZ.<br /><br />Warners were gifted the opportunity to try for a bonus dael by the stupidity of the unions and so they should have...their shareholders would expect no less.The responsibility for them being able to wrangle a better deal is squarely on the shoulders of the union whos lies and bluster have been exposed for all to see by the release of letters recieved by Weta workshops showing the true time line of events...and it isn't how the unions claimed it was.<br /><br />http://www.scribd.com/doc/40284607/Media-Release-The-Hobbit-271010<br /><br />Thanks to John Key we have actually come out of this with a far better deal than was in place previously....Malcom and Kelly should get on their knees and kiss his feet....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-4834912447581757782010-10-29T16:24:59.924+13:002010-10-29T16:24:59.924+13:00If contract law is that bad then it's contract...If contract law is that bad then it's contract law that needs a revamp. It's not enough to say these people shouldn't be 'reclassified' as contractors _because_ of the potential for abuse as such, the real problem here by the sounds of it is the potential for abuse in contract law. It seems to me more important to address this that to address whether they are contractors or not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-58989605943677507182010-10-29T14:53:54.339+13:002010-10-29T14:53:54.339+13:00You've overstated the current law change.
It ...You've overstated the current law change.<br /><br />It only applies to a small set of contractors - those who are stated to be contractors, but whom previously, like Bryson, could be redefined to be employees, because they were actually employees in most ways except for having a contract rather than an employment agreement.<br /><br />The example at the top of your post is crappy, but it probably won't change. Not many people who are currently contractors fit into the 'Bryson' model. Most are actual contractors by choice, and many of the ones who ended up as contractors because they were told to be, wouldn't pass the Bryson hurdle under the old law.kylejitshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10077867019944337673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-18876642099279769282010-10-29T14:48:31.919+13:002010-10-29T14:48:31.919+13:00Anon, if the whole thing was an anti-nationalist m...Anon, if the whole thing was an anti-nationalist movement why did we hear so much about how the union involved was based in Australia?DPF:TLDRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06372937855256319716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-33244551259701473312010-10-29T14:45:58.328+13:002010-10-29T14:45:58.328+13:00The so called "Nationalism" was a sponta...The so called "Nationalism" was a spontanous peoples revolt against a stupid,greedy bunch of shortsighted fools who,in the most ninnybrained piece of "negotiation" ever witnessed,imperiled thoudsands of jobs and hundreds of millions of dollars of potential income for NZ.<br /><br />That ordinary people realised this and reacted as they did by saying "not in my name!"shows REAL workers power and the best of New Zealands fantastic people.<br /><br />And true free market Capitalism actually works to disempower Nationalism (in its worse sense)by making trade with different people in different countrys very desirible and discrimination very not so.This was recognised by Adam Smith and others centuries ago.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-510959066878340652010-10-29T12:35:49.603+13:002010-10-29T12:35:49.603+13:00Anon, the law doesn't prevent workers from com...Anon, the law doesn't prevent workers from complaining to the police re: sexual harassment, it just doesn't keep their jobs secure in the event that they talk to anybody else about it.<br /><br />This disgusting little episode is going to be used, by me, as a counter to those who claim that robust nationalism is the best way to defeat capitalism. In fact nationalism is something capitalism is very aware of and more than capable of harnessing towards its own ends, as we've seen here.<br /><br />Perhaps both the most amusing and most sad part was when Richard Taylor, in a rally in Wellington, told a cheering crowd that "We shouldn't become a state of Australia". Convince people their national identity is under threat, and you can get them to sacrifice almost anything.DPF:TLDRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06372937855256319716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-66186147195598488162010-10-29T11:21:07.777+13:002010-10-29T11:21:07.777+13:00excellent post.
G.excellent post.<br /><br />G.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-61474859832195558212010-10-29T11:05:10.800+13:002010-10-29T11:05:10.800+13:00You fail to understand the rights of contractors i...You fail to understand the rights of contractors if you believe that they have contracted out of *all* of NZ law, as your emotive starting example claims.<br /><br />Contractors have every right to walk into a police station to make a complaint of sexual assault, and nothing in any contract anywhere in this country could possibly deny that.<br /><br />What's more, this person does not get to declare themselves an employee because they were felt up and have a good case as a personal grievance. The test for whether a contractor is an employee is based on other things, mostly whether they are treated like an employee in terms of independence of work, training, and duration of service, among other things.<br /><br />Actors by and large have a very hard time meeting that test regardless of what any industry guidelines say. (In fact, the industry guidelines are explicitly not to be taken into account when determining whether someone is an employee, as the Employment and Supreme Courts have already ruled.)<br /><br />You would do better not to start off with a weak emotive strawman for what is actually a serious change in the law.<br /><br />- A. ContractorAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-74032544302112807932010-10-29T10:25:51.903+13:002010-10-29T10:25:51.903+13:00Great post. I'm glad someone is really thinkin...Great post. I'm glad someone is really thinking about this ridiculous situation.Helennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-45297878280145396052010-10-29T09:52:05.356+13:002010-10-29T09:52:05.356+13:00OMG what unadulterated drivel.OMG what unadulterated drivel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-7247737846443519662010-10-29T07:49:58.313+13:002010-10-29T07:49:58.313+13:00Wonderful post Maia, thank you...I had been watchi...Wonderful post Maia, thank you...I had been watching for someone to address this issue here. <br /><br />Worker against worker, played so well by the powers that be! Divide and rule! I am so terribly disappointed in the actions of the New Zealand film makers and politicians who enabled a film studio to do this to us!Lyn Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15554720672578319225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-50506688909669392752010-10-29T06:53:15.010+13:002010-10-29T06:53:15.010+13:00Excellent post Maia, thanks. I also found the Rea...Excellent post Maia, thanks. I also found the Reading the Maps post on fence sitting valuable.<br /><br />When I listen to some of the anger against unions in sections of this country I am amazed and very dismayed: how many workplace deaths and other acts of extreme exploitation do people think is worth it for their vision of GDP?Sandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00679010667380926214noreply@blogger.com