tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post5299488401552880840..comments2023-10-07T22:37:49.244+13:00Comments on The Hand Mirror: Appeal court can't fix fundamentally flawed abortion law - opinion piece by Alison McCullochkatyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15742280289613450293noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-29953041059171094482009-05-09T12:58:00.000+12:002009-05-09T12:58:00.000+12:00Sorry Dave, I couldn't find it linked from the Opi...Sorry Dave, I couldn't find it linked from the Opinion page, where the other columns from the same printed page were, and had a bit of a search but obviously failed!Juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08977150346842277994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-35026791096654789782009-05-07T23:54:00.000+12:002009-05-07T23:54:00.000+12:00muerk has removed her last comment before I had a ...muerk has removed her last comment before I had a chance to reply to it (I saw it when my husband was surfing, and I didn't want to boot him off the computer in order to reply).<br /><br />So it's a moot point. Whatever. If it is reposted, I will reply.Deborahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14182573274494086468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-74916296848544330602009-05-07T22:51:00.000+12:002009-05-07T22:51:00.000+12:00This comment has been removed by the author.Muerkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00983180202172098977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-30949223732272704182009-05-07T18:57:00.000+12:002009-05-07T18:57:00.000+12:00Well, it's pretty poor philosophical reasoning, mu...Well, it's pretty poor philosophical reasoning, muerk. I would mark any essay handed in to me with reasoning like that with a fail grade. And yes, I am <I>ver</I> experienced in marking philosophy essays.Deborahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14182573274494086468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-68967950189158364202009-05-07T16:50:00.000+12:002009-05-07T16:50:00.000+12:00This comment has been removed by the author.Muerkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00983180202172098977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-73285841024314351332009-05-07T16:07:00.000+12:002009-05-07T16:07:00.000+12:00Muerk, I didn't mean to imply that Ratzinger's fli...Muerk, I didn't mean to imply that Ratzinger's flirtations with fascism informed his stance on abortion, merely that I don't think he has any personal authority on this subject. But since you believe his authority comes from his personal relationship with a giant omnipotent beard in the sky, I don't expect you to agree with me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-23618510630835561012009-05-07T15:46:00.000+12:002009-05-07T15:46:00.000+12:00Have you ever considered how the legalization of a...Have you ever considered how the legalization of abortion could have CUT the crime rate in the last 30 years?<br /><br />Just imagine if abortion was still illegal now how many children would be born into poverty and violent families. Just imagine the generation of women who would have struggled to bring money into the home. Just imagine the burdens on social welfare. Just imagine the desperation of families struggling to feed another mouth.<br /><br />Think of it as the population control you've always wanted for our overburdened social welfare systems. <br /><br />Oh, and the wonderful 1950s? Yes, the era of emotionally absent fathers returned from wars, the McCarthy Era, the burgeoning vaccination era, 1st generation birth control pills (hell, my mother tells me), atomic bomb testing. The things you take for granted now to be a welcomed and competant mother were borne on the backs of the 1950s. <br /><br />But sure, take away a women's medical rights, and see how much you enjoy the health care you'd get.A Nonny Moosenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-55819182928359815872009-05-07T15:27:00.000+12:002009-05-07T15:27:00.000+12:00This comment has been removed by the author.Muerkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00983180202172098977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-81284860515256402562009-05-07T14:55:00.000+12:002009-05-07T14:55:00.000+12:00Clearly you are a student of history muerk. As su...Clearly you are a student of history muerk. As such I presume it's not news to you that the idea that things were better and people were kinder to one another in the past is probably one of the few things that remains constant throughout history. During the 1950s, a period you are eulogising as wonderful and peaceful, your own ideological ancestors were fretting about how terribly degenerate society has become.<br /><br />But let's get specific. You seem to feel abortion leads to a higher crime rate. If the opposite were shown to be true, would you support abortion? And if not, why do you bother bringing it up?<br /><br />The reason you're having trouble convincing anybody is that your belief ultimately stems from what the Pope told you to believe, and for non Catholics the word of some aged former Hitler youth member just isn't that persuasive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-22076859890810722542009-05-07T14:26:00.000+12:002009-05-07T14:26:00.000+12:00What's with a fetus being "her", Muerk? You can't...What's with a fetus being "her", Muerk? You can't tell either way without invasive testing in the first trimester, and over 50% are male. Is that something from the Pro-life Handbook for Persuading Women?Troublenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-85062879083786405622009-05-07T13:32:00.000+12:002009-05-07T13:32:00.000+12:00Caregivers beating their babies and toddlers to de...<I>Caregivers beating their babies and toddlers to death have become common place news items. </I>I'm gonna go ahead and say this is a good thing, because it means these crimes are being *reported*. Don't try and tell me that in the 1950s no-one ever hit or killed their kids. They did. It just didn't make the mainstream news - or any news. If you're going to pick something to be morally outraged over, the increase in DV reporting is not your best bet. bLucyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06432218062519321962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-52494602845468502582009-05-07T13:23:00.000+12:002009-05-07T13:23:00.000+12:00I disagree stongly with utilitarianismBully for yo...<I>I disagree stongly with utilitarianism</I>Bully for you. I disagree strongly with the idea of a big bearded guy in the sky who created the world, but I don't expect you to abandon Catholicism because of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-23626668309860030332009-05-07T12:19:00.000+12:002009-05-07T12:19:00.000+12:00This comment has been removed by the author.Muerkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00983180202172098977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-14917744398412044562009-05-07T11:42:00.000+12:002009-05-07T11:42:00.000+12:00To you, perhaps. Not to everyone. My moral compa...To you, perhaps. Not to everyone. My moral compass turns around things that maximise or minimise suffering. DNA is irrelevant - would an identical twin have the right to harvest the other twin for its organs, just because they have the same DNA?Troublenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-79101481632539277382009-05-07T09:45:00.000+12:002009-05-07T09:45:00.000+12:00This comment has been removed by the author.Muerkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00983180202172098977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-78968270417436992712009-05-07T09:35:00.000+12:002009-05-07T09:35:00.000+12:00Four is a fraction of the number of pregnancies a ...Four is a fraction of the number of pregnancies a Victorian woman who married young might have been expected to carry. Despite sexual morals being strict in those days, life was cheaper than now - infant mortality, debtors' prisons, slavery in the US, child labour etc. Something that society of the time would have described as moral would be shocking to today's eyes, and was already coming into question by contemporary authors like Dickens.<br /><br />I've been wondering whether my pregnancy would change my staunch pro-choiceness. It hasn't. It's made me realise even more personally that gestation is work, and a tax on my body's resources that I should have the ability to opt out of, not that I have any intention of doing so right now. <br /><br />Being affected by the business end of pregnancy gives you marginally more insight and right to comment than, say, Garth George, but not nearly as much as being currently, personally affected by an unwanted pregnancy. Making a decision over someone else's pregnancy is morally abhorrent to me no matter who you are.Troublenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-38708391660669244862009-05-06T19:59:00.000+12:002009-05-06T19:59:00.000+12:00This comment has been removed by the author.Muerkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00983180202172098977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-70958443367297049102009-05-06T19:09:00.000+12:002009-05-06T19:09:00.000+12:00Muerk, the debate is not the morals of abortion, i...Muerk, the debate is not the morals of abortion, it's about making sure the law makes a woman safe enough in her reproductive choices. HER choices. Hers alone.A Nonny Moosenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-64245910366739432032009-05-06T18:42:00.000+12:002009-05-06T18:42:00.000+12:00Women have been aborting pregnancies since the yea...Women have been aborting pregnancies since the year dot. They aborted them in the 30s, and in the 50s, and in the Victorian period, and the Regency period, and during the Enlightenment, and the Middle Ages, and forever and ever amen. They drank gin and had hot baths and rode horses and stuck coat hangers into themselves and took 'herbal remedies'. Therefore, it is logically impossible to tie abortion to some sort of amorphous 'lack of social bond' between parents and children in our Terrible Awful Modern Society. Sorry: that's utter tosh.Daniellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03896817139131485525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-29722110186027883632009-05-06T17:58:00.000+12:002009-05-06T17:58:00.000+12:00This comment has been removed by the author.Muerkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00983180202172098977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-69500861171661047072009-05-06T17:32:00.000+12:002009-05-06T17:32:00.000+12:00It is online. Has been all day...
http://www.nzher...It is online. Has been all day...<br />http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10570545&pnum=0Swimminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12913329810121951824noreply@blogger.com