tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post6834510490155693682..comments2023-10-07T22:37:49.244+13:00Comments on The Hand Mirror: I want to hear the All Blacks say It’s Not OKkatyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15742280289613450293noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-27463586818347327852013-04-29T22:24:42.166+12:002013-04-29T22:24:42.166+12:00Everything the All Blacks management, team and coa...Everything the All Blacks management, team and coach are doing is telling Savea that it is okay.Some recent quotes: <br /><br />"We've had other players, unfortunately, in the same situation and . . . we believe they are better off in the environment, carrying on with their work and getting on with their lives." <br />"We're rugby players and we just get on with things and I know it is a very private matter. I talked to him earlier in the week and then left him to it. And I think that's the way the rest of the guys have been as well." So now he's off to South Africa. Nothing to see here...<br /> AnneEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00869114756713316204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-49862974195231079812013-04-25T14:07:28.448+12:002013-04-25T14:07:28.448+12:00"I want to hear the All Blacks say It's N..."I want to hear the All Blacks say It's Not OK".<br /><br />Then I will know for sure that it is true.ain't that the truthnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-65506638116630513222013-04-25T11:14:48.784+12:002013-04-25T11:14:48.784+12:00Hey Richard,
completely agree - there are similar ...Hey Richard,<br />completely agree - there are similar programmes operating in Australia too, and there have been preliminary attempts by specialist dating and sexual violence prevention groups here to set up similar work here.<br />The messages of It's Not OK are fabulous, and it's important to see those things "championed" - but when they are not connected to actual learning for rugby players or other male athletes, you get the problem we have here. Men being given constant messages of entitlement and limited ideas about what it means to be a man, combined with having bad/abusive/violent behaviour excused as being about stress etcetc is a recipe for disaster. I would LOVE to see proper dating and sexual violence prevention work done with sports codes here. Combined with real consequences for offending in terms of losing the right to represent your country.LudditeJournohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13154447284268192467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-37099323839460867452013-04-24T23:34:26.845+12:002013-04-24T23:34:26.845+12:00New Zealand is in serious need of it's own Jac...New Zealand is in serious need of it's own Jackson Katz. Here is some background on the MVP anti violence/sexism bystander intervention program for sports he helped develop in the US:<br /> jacksonkatz.com/aboutmvp.html<br />If the NZRU is serious about helping address the crisis in NZ masculinity they should be throwing their full support behind getting programmes like this running in every rugby club and high school in the country.<br />The problem is not that we don't know what works - we do, there are some fantastic resources out there for tis kind of education. The problem is not that we don't have the resources - this country lavishes money on sports, especially rugby. The real problem is that we don't want to admit there is a problem.Richard29noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-70450028535669216582013-04-24T17:44:02.439+12:002013-04-24T17:44:02.439+12:00*sigh* I take it back because I just found this: ...*sigh* I take it back because I just found this: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10878933<br /><br />Summary:<br />- Rugby players losing battle with "demons" (ie something outside of their control / God's control)<br />- rugby stars "predisposed" to suffering mental health challenges due to anxiety, relationship stress, lonliness...<br />- Steve Tew orders an enquiry to see if the NZRU are doing enough to cope with the pressures of the game (see, it's not actually <i>the players</i> fault they hit partners, it's the game!)Knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-48860857541541132052013-04-23T17:37:10.023+12:002013-04-23T17:37:10.023+12:00Hiya B - thanks for pointing that out b/c I didn&#...Hiya B - thanks for pointing that out b/c I didn't know that. <br /><br />The coverage so far shows Woman's Refuge airing their concerns + the predictable protective response we've become familiar with which IMHO is an improvement over what it would have been in the past...are we starting to win?<br /><br />Tonights coverage on the news will be very telling. If it is the boys club combo of a forced apology followed by "the game is what is most important" then we are back to the same old shit. ANYTHING has got to be an improvement on that. Knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-61965938154957833232013-04-23T16:41:58.328+12:002013-04-23T16:41:58.328+12:00I can't wait for the 'rugby is not an inna...I can't wait for the 'rugby is not an innately violent sport' crowd to show up. 1... 2... 3...Hughhttp://www.tvgohome.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-7740119216350121242013-04-23T13:14:30.281+12:002013-04-23T13:14:30.281+12:00Hey B - no lynch mob here, just pointing out the p...Hey B - no lynch mob here, just pointing out the privileged, minimising approach the media, the NZRU, the Hurricanes and Mr Savea's family have taken.<br />And Common Assault means this:<br />"assault means the act of intentionally applying or attempting to apply force to the person of another, directly or indirectly, or threatening by any act or gesture to apply such force to the person of another, if the person making the threat has, or causes the other to believe on reasonable grounds that he has, present ability to effect his purpose."<br />Your comment makes no sense based on the way this case is being presented so far.LudditeJournohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13154447284268192467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-25997630026375614302013-04-23T12:10:16.342+12:002013-04-23T12:10:16.342+12:00He has admitted it, and it appears it was a physic...He has admitted it, and it appears it was a physical assault.<br /><br />The fact that she didnt seek medical attention is not the point.<br /><br />I dont think there has been a lynch mob at all, in fact I think its been the reverse, he has had his employers and friends standing by him, the public is misplacing its sympathy.<br /><br />The media needs to take a long hard look at itself.Brett Dalehttp://mediasportandotherrantings.blogspot.co.nz/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-17006410373150727082013-04-23T11:33:58.895+12:002013-04-23T11:33:58.895+12:00While I do not in any way condone violence towards...While I do not in any way condone violence towards anyone, particularly women, I am disturbed by the gathering lynch mob seemingly hell bent on crucifying Mr Savea.<br /><br />The charge is Common Assault. Are people aware that no actual physical violence needs to occur in order for a charge of common assault to be laid? All that is necessary to satisfy the requirements of this charge is for the victim to feel that he or she is in danger. We also know from police statements that Savea's partner did not need any medical assistance. We do not know the facts, we should not rush to judgement.<br /><br />That's why we have the courts.<br /><br />B.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-22005854251006844212013-04-23T09:57:05.508+12:002013-04-23T09:57:05.508+12:00Its disgusting with what has happen.
Having his ...Its disgusting with what has happen.<br /><br /> Having his hurricane teammates going on the news saying "he's a good guy"<br /><br />Having the media saying his employers should've supported him more.<br /><br />Having the head of the NZRFU suggest that he still should be allowed to play.<br /><br />Well good guys don't hit woman.<br /><br />Also the way the media has handle this story is nothing short of sinister.<br /><br />Where are the Journalists coming out ripping into this player.<br /><br />Lets face it, if your a Rugby Union player you can do what you like.<br /><br />Do people here really think if this had been a Rugby League player that assaulted his partner, the media would've treated the story the same, of course not, there would've been outrage and rightly so.<br /><br />There is so way this guy should be allowed to play, in fact he should be in jail, not having his face on TV.<br /><br />He is a woman beater, who deserves no respect and no sympathy.Brett Dalehttp://mediasportandotherrantings.blogspot.co.nz/noreply@blogger.com