tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post6890488952989620147..comments2023-10-07T22:37:49.244+13:00Comments on The Hand Mirror: reclaim/reframekatyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15742280289613450293noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-62982351836399476512009-07-15T23:24:36.327+12:002009-07-15T23:24:36.327+12:00ok, that's a difficult question kimv, i hadn&#...ok, that's a difficult question kimv, i hadn't given it too much thought. the best example i can think of is the disability sector, where the words handicapped, lame, retarded etc have pretty much disappeared out of common language. and the change in language has definitely changed the way many of us think about people with disabilities.<br /><br />another issue i have with reclaiming after reading the comments is the problem that some people in the group might not want to reclaim particular words. eg i'm not particularly interested in reclaiming c*nt or slut. if a sufficient number of people feel that way, then the reclaiming doesn't really work, does it?stargazerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430290445762377335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-25608985944725359592009-07-15T22:52:40.720+12:002009-07-15T22:52:40.720+12:00stargazer, what other words do you suggest bringin...stargazer, what other words do you suggest bringing into their cultures? Do you mean inventing completely new words? Because that's incredibly difficult to do - Ms is one of the very few that were successful.KimVhttp://sierra-le-oli.livejournal.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-13751130241278163032009-07-15T22:48:12.476+12:002009-07-15T22:48:12.476+12:00thanx for that explanation boganette, really usefu...thanx for that explanation boganette, really useful for someone like me who didn't really know what "bogan" meant!stargazerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430290445762377335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-17345007812367574212009-07-15T21:25:31.381+12:002009-07-15T21:25:31.381+12:00@Boganette - BOGANS REPRESENT! Not that I'm th...@Boganette - BOGANS REPRESENT! Not that I'm that bogan anymore, besides the death metal and the wrestling ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-53180369916119708422009-07-15T20:26:12.937+12:002009-07-15T20:26:12.937+12:00This is an awesome interview with krs-one talking ...This is an awesome interview with krs-one talking about the 'n' word and reclamation and such. Its awesome check it out.C.C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08175253334377056642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-58925625383719918212009-07-15T08:42:01.326+12:002009-07-15T08:42:01.326+12:00Sorry that was really long!Sorry that was really long!Boganettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07253374355820020132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-5523953295249765632009-07-15T08:39:56.754+12:002009-07-15T08:39:56.754+12:00Stargazer - I'll try - I'm sure this won&#...Stargazer - I'll try - I'm sure this won't come out right! :) Well for years I've been called a bogan (or occasionally a boganette - female bogan) and it's generally been in a derogatory way.<br /><br />At first I ignored it and then I started asking 'Why am I a bogan?'. Usually the person calling me a bogan wouldn't answer. But the ones who did would say either 'Well because you listen to shit music' (I'd be wearing an Iron Maiden or Motorhead tee or something) or 'you dress like a bogan' (band tee, black jeans, boots etc).<br /><br />And these were all pretty polite answers because bogan essentially means white trash stupid metal head male. I'm not white trash, I don't think I'm stupid and I'm not male. I do listen to metal though.<br /><br />So I thought if I'm only one of those things what about the polite stuff? Well there's nothing wrong with liking proper music - metal and rock (so-called Bogan music) is far superior to any other genre of music out there. There's nothing wrong with watching wrestling - being a wrestling fan is no different to being a a fan of any other TV show. There's nothing wrong with dressing the way I do - band tee-shirts go with everything and boots are practical. There's nothing wrong with drinking bourbon - hey it's better than scrumpy! So I don't see anything wrong with being a bogan. I don't think you should be ashamed of any part of the so-called bogan lifestyle.<br /><br />So I started saying 'I'm a bogan' in response to questions about what music I like, or as an explanation for why I'm going to Auckland to watch some wrestling etc. And I just found it was an easier way to say 'this is who I am' because the music I listen to, the things I do on weekends etc are pretty important to me.<br /><br />I bought a tee-shirt that said "Proud Bogan" and wore it to a pretty bogan event and I had all these people coming up to me and saying 'Hey I'm a bogan too, wicked!' and I thought that was quite nice. I kind of like the idea of a bogan-community.<br /><br />Bogans need to stick together so I find calling myself a bogan attracts other bogans and then I get to chat with and become friends with like-minded people. <br /><br />But bogan is nothing like the n word. Or any other really awful term that some people consider reclaimed. I'm not saying that. Hence why I was nervous about posting this in the first place. <br /><br />But I mean I have had people yell out of car windows 'bogan scum' and shit like that. The media always uses bogan as a derogatory term. I mean Rock2Wgtn was one of the best bogan events ever in NZ and a reviewer in the Dom implied bogans stole his wallet. Other photos of the events focused on the people there and just openly made fun of them. I was upset about that. I also tend to get a huge amount of shit from young women if I go out to a club that's full of them. So I tend to stick to my own kind where we can all be happy bogans together. And the music is always better.Boganettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07253374355820020132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-88745682288753842202009-07-15T00:13:26.038+12:002009-07-15T00:13:26.038+12:00It's disarming. If you wanted to insult an Aus...It's disarming. If you wanted to insult an Australian by calling him a convict, and he considers it a badge of honour, you suddenly find yourself without your weapon.Random Lurkerhttp://jyte.com/claims?by=lctrc-gtr-dde.myopenid.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-73754092962163989042009-07-14T23:22:51.428+12:002009-07-14T23:22:51.428+12:00Definetly Cunt, definetly slut and definetly the &...Definetly Cunt, definetly slut and definetly the 'n' word too.C.C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08175253334377056642noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-77270440396391931652009-07-14T22:26:07.139+12:002009-07-14T22:26:07.139+12:00The "N" word is an interesting example i...The "N" word is an interesting example in that while it is now used by a certain group of people toward whom it would have been directed as an insult previously, I don't agree that it has been reclaimed as such; it remains a very dangerous word, I think.<br /><br />I think it is powerful to take words and set the terms of their use, I am all for this.katyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15742280289613450293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-65285302852707855572009-07-14T21:51:27.379+12:002009-07-14T21:51:27.379+12:00Hugh,
Maybe also "cunt" for describing ...Hugh,<br /><br />Maybe also "cunt" for describing that particular part of the body.Anitahttp://www.kiwipolitico.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-89384520571866289162009-07-14T21:28:35.292+12:002009-07-14T21:28:35.292+12:00True Shopgirl, but I think the ultimate goal of re...True Shopgirl, but I think the ultimate goal of reclaiming is that eventually the word will be available for everybody to use because it's non-threatening. Although the only example I can think of where this has actually happened is 'queer'.DPF:TLDRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06372937855256319716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-54443565891634618532009-07-14T20:53:33.819+12:002009-07-14T20:53:33.819+12:00For me reclaiming (in the context of words like bi...For me reclaiming (in the context of words like bitch, slut, fat) words acts primarily to take the power away from the abuser. So many words - especially ones disparaging of minority/oppressed groups - are used derogatorily, when the actual *attack* is against <i>being</i> the thing described - an uppity woman, a woman who enjoys sex, or a fat person, to use my above examples.<br /><br />It all boils down to someone turning around and saying, "You should shut up, you're a [whatever]", and being able to reply, "Yeah, I am, and I'm not gonna, so screw you."<br /><br />And it <i>works</i>, because a lot of the abusers are just stunned by the fact that anyone would accept those horrible, innately-bad names and be proud to call themselves those things. And it also starts to wear away at the underlying assumptions, because if someone's proudly saying "Yep, I'm fat, what's <i>your</i> problem?" then maybe being fat (or whatever) isn't as universally horrifying as some people would like it to be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-68982022855297256132009-07-14T20:07:49.203+12:002009-07-14T20:07:49.203+12:00I think generally with reclaimed words that it'...I think generally with reclaimed words that it's okay for people within the group to use them, but often inappropriate for people outside the group to use them for exactly this reasons. Thus, you might have gay men referring affectionately to themselves and each other as "fags", but it would be wildly inappropriate for a stranger to call them that.<br /><br />Reclaiming is partly about <i>claiming</i> -- saying, "It's our word now, and you may try to twist it, but it'll never have the same power to hurt anymore, because it's <i>ours</i>." At least, that's my take on it.shop girlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-73033710871635157442009-07-14T18:58:13.191+12:002009-07-14T18:58:13.191+12:00Dyke is another word that has been reclaimed, alon...Dyke is another word that has been reclaimed, along with poof and pansy.M-Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18409916623998907121noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-31259250252506557252009-07-14T18:55:20.477+12:002009-07-14T18:55:20.477+12:00oh, boganette, i really wanted to read your though...oh, boganette, i really wanted to read your thoughts cos i'm really interested in what the word boganette now means for you! but never mind, whenever you find the right words and the time...<br /><br />mikaere, i think that one issue arising from the redefinition is the risk that some people (well, the bigots) using the "reclaimed" word haven't redefined the meaning in their head. so then you have this whole confusion of whether a person is using the word in its original meaning or with the redefined & reclaimed meaning. or whether you have just "given in" and defined yourself within the paradigm your abuser has set for you, instead of developing another paradigm altogether.<br /><br />not sure if i'm still making sense at this point...stargazerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430290445762377335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-34537540292269086592009-07-14T17:39:57.953+12:002009-07-14T17:39:57.953+12:00reclaiming words feels to me a bit like giving up,...<i>reclaiming words feels to me a bit like giving up, a bit like saying "there's no way we're going to stop people using that word, so we may as well just take it on board"</i><br /><br />I think reclaiming necessitates a redefinition as well, otherwise you are simply being colonised in the head, as you say - giving up. <br /><br />I asked an Australian Greek work colleague what he thought about the Australian habit of referring to Mediterranean Europeans as "Wogs". <br /><br />"But I <i>am</i> a wog !", he replied. <br /><br />Banana and queer now have different meanings in the context in which they are used. Banana's are proud of the Chinese heritage, and that's not what the word meant when used in pejorative context.<br /><br /><i>Many pagans have reclaimed the word "witch" from its use as a derogative term regarding women to its more esoteric meaning. </i><br /><br />The big difference is that witch has been reclaimed back to it's <i>original</i> meaning. It means "wise". So it's not so much a reclamation and more of a disregarding of the newer pejorative meaning.Mikaere Curtishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01940662768746135632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-72977933745229942552009-07-14T17:30:01.599+12:002009-07-14T17:30:01.599+12:00The Fat Acceptance movement has reclaimed the word...The Fat Acceptance movement has reclaimed the word "fat" as being simply a descriptive word rather than a put down. <br /><br />Many pagans have reclaimed the word "witch" from its use as a derogative term regarding women to its more esoteric meaning. <br /><br />There are others, I am trying to think of them...<br /><br />There is a lot of power in reclaiming a term that has been used against you in a negative way.Brihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05845481445147062369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-25924079323429263312009-07-14T16:27:12.966+12:002009-07-14T16:27:12.966+12:00Hmmm I just wrote a long reply to this talking abo...Hmmm I just wrote a long reply to this talking about how I've reclaimed the word bogan/boganette but I sounded like an idiot. So I deleted it.<br /><br />So great post. I wanted to reply but my words won't work!Boganettehttp://www.boganette.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.com