tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post6935341308402351905..comments2023-10-07T22:37:49.244+13:00Comments on The Hand Mirror: Garth McVicar and heterosexual camouflagekatyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15742280289613450293noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-27979386085301405292013-01-22T07:26:05.759+13:002013-01-22T07:26:05.759+13:00Carlist - thank you, quite.
Lindsay, seriously, wh...Carlist - thank you, quite.<br />Lindsay, seriously, what planet are you on? Do women invent the pay gap when we notice our ovaries? Do Maori invent colonisation when they pay attention to their lower, on average, life expectancy? Do queer people invent homophobia, biphobia and transphobia when we get bashed in the streets? <br />Please stop being so ignorant, here at least. What you are spouting, not for the first time, is victim blaming nonsense which prettifies and ignores people's lived experiences of oppression.LudditeJournohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13154447284268192467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-371552602071597742013-01-22T01:39:18.695+13:002013-01-22T01:39:18.695+13:00Lindsay, individuals are capable of being biased f...Lindsay, individuals are capable of being biased for perfectly personal reasons.<br /><br />If somebody hates me because of my sex life, they will continue hating me regardless of whether or not I identify with the queer community. Identifying with that community gives me some tools to deal with their hatred. Refusing to identify with it doesn't stop them hating me.Carlistnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-21425400905944351702013-01-21T19:33:41.209+13:002013-01-21T19:33:41.209+13:00My point is that each of us has rights as individu...<br />My point is that each of us has rights as individual human beings that, if observed, would preclude the need to form collectives based on race, gender or sexuality.<br /><br />"...prejudice and oppression" arise from group think. As unfettered individuals neither Mr McVicar nor you felt any prejudice or desire to oppress.Lindsay Mitchellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04437693272797130833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-12264198935302861542013-01-21T17:24:00.006+13:002013-01-21T17:24:00.006+13:00@Lindsay: Your idea that people gain 'power...@Lindsay: Your idea that people gain 'power' by labelling themselves queer is laughable. To assume that label is to put oneself at the bottom of society.<br /><br />@Chunda: Well, I hope we never find out which one of us is right, but I would not be comfortable being alone with Garth without witnesses.Carlistnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-15113901192065088002013-01-21T09:34:54.565+13:002013-01-21T09:34:54.565+13:00Lindsay - my point is that Garth McVicar cannot ev...Lindsay - my point is that Garth McVicar cannot even identify a person from a group (queer people) he believes cause crime. Because his prejudice is ridiculous. <br />It's not seeking rights that causes "trouble" but prejudice and oppression. Mr McVicar's ridiculous defence of stopping some people having the ability to marry if they wish is one example.LudditeJournohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13154447284268192467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-7667564185149518912013-01-21T07:55:19.692+13:002013-01-21T07:55:19.692+13:00Very well said Lindsay.
@carlist - I disagree wi...Very well said Lindsay. <br /><br />@carlist - I disagree with almost everything that comes out of McVicar's head, but to suggest that he would assault (or worse) someone if there were no witnesses about is a little unfair. We can disagree with the man without painting him out to be some evil murdering bigot. ChundaMarsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-15209180685491229502013-01-21T07:42:16.576+13:002013-01-21T07:42:16.576+13:00I think Garth McVicar's submission was wrong.
...I think Garth McVicar's submission was wrong.<br /><br />But doesn't your post illustrate something else?<br /><br />That when people meet each other as individuals, the experience and the impression it leaves are very different from how they would regard each other when put into some sort of ideological collective framework. That's where hate comes from.<br /><br />Your exchange with Garth was simple humanity in action. That's what we all are first. Individual human beings.It's when we start labelling ourselves, finding power in groups of like-minded, seeking or seeking to protect (rightly or wrongly) rights or privileges, that we find trouble. He would do well to reflect on that too. You have as much right to 'marry' who you want as he does. Not because you are gay but because you are a human being.Lindsay Mitchellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04437693272797130833noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-88032535488871665202013-01-20T15:54:36.123+13:002013-01-20T15:54:36.123+13:00You were lucky
If Garth McVicar encountered a hom...You were lucky<br /><br />If Garth McVicar encountered a homosexual alone at night, on his land, with no witnesses... I shudder to think what would have happenedto you.Carlistnoreply@blogger.com