tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post6985151149905506989..comments2023-10-07T22:37:49.244+13:00Comments on The Hand Mirror: who's exploiting who?katyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15742280289613450293noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-62205914828409871542009-10-21T22:36:14.774+13:002009-10-21T22:36:14.774+13:00"having policies to promote successful settle..."having policies to promote successful settlement" that was I should have said. <br /><br /> "has major benefits, both to migrants and to the host country. as you say, we'll have immigration into this country. either we put some effort into ensuring positive outcomes, or we will pay the price in other ways."<br /><br />exactly.jingyangnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-73453066899136012082009-10-21T22:16:54.603+13:002009-10-21T22:16:54.603+13:00Sentiments against migration could be being ethnoc...<i>Sentiments against migration could be being ethnocentric, not being racist.</i><br /><br />and what would be the difference, especially in practical terms? if the result is discrimination, then they're equally bad.<br /><br /><i>People migrate to countries everywhere in search of jobs and wealth; this will not be able to stopped.</i><br /><br />really? i don't know of a country without immigration restrictions. there certainly is no free flow of people into western country that i know of.<br /><br /><i>If we're talking about voluntary migrants, why should we pay to support them?</i><br /><br />i can't see anyone asking you support them. however, having policies to promote successful settlement has major benefits, both to migrants and to the host country. as you say, we'll have immigration into this country. either we put some effort into ensuring positive outcomes, or we will pay the price in other ways. yes, people coming here have a responsibility to find out about the country, but the country allowing them to come here have a responsibility to ensure that they settle well. we certainly have a responsibility to ensure that we aren't exploiting their labour through low wages and poor work conditions.stargazerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430290445762377335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-69523156572816207092009-10-21T13:24:40.760+13:002009-10-21T13:24:40.760+13:00If we're talking about voluntary migrants, why...If we're talking about voluntary migrants, why should we pay to support them?<br />If people have chosen of their own free will to come and live here, then they ought to have done some research before they arrive.<br /><br />There are more important things our money should be spent on.<br /><br />Refugees are another matter, we should certainly continue to support them.<br /><br />People migrate to countries everywhere in search of jobs and wealth; this will not be able to stopped. <br />I don't think it should be, anyway. We have free movement of capital, there should be free movement of labour too.<br /><br />Also perhaps be wary of playing the racism card. Sentiments against migration could be being ethnocentric, not being racist.BMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-70188821365313668362009-10-20T12:47:05.416+13:002009-10-20T12:47:05.416+13:00Hear hear.
Also missing from the 'immigration...Hear hear. <br />Also missing from the 'immigration' debate is that the other side of the policy basically involves buying a NZ passport ie: got $X dollars to invest?...then here have a passport. <br />Not to mention that there has been no debate on how to support the immigrants once they are here: such as resourcing schools to support their children, ensuring that there are actually suitable jobs etc. <br />A further issue is integration, which I mean in the sense of ensuring that immigrants can fully participate in NZ society, especially since many come from non-democratic societies where government caanot be trusted and elections are meaningless.<br />There is also a much larger debate (which our 'leaders'have been avoiding since 1984) and that is about what kind of society, economy and future we really want - and where immigration fits into this. <br />I agree with you that Peters' raise the immigration issue well, and then promptly obscures it with <br />barely veiled rascism and cheap political points scoring. Unfortunately he also does the same in regard to the issue of foreign ownership of NZ assets...jingyangnoreply@blogger.com