tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post7294725355998449745..comments2023-10-07T22:37:49.244+13:00Comments on The Hand Mirror: on roger sutton not being the victimkatyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15742280289613450293noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-73229763471096522512014-11-21T14:16:45.813+13:002014-11-21T14:16:45.813+13:00my anon handle would be HLVS, and I am only respon...my anon handle would be HLVS, and I am only responsible for the comments about Tina are based on personal experience at CERA not hearsay.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-53282466138705705322014-11-20T22:00:31.103+13:002014-11-20T22:00:31.103+13:00No - he was resigning as a result of a complaint o...No - he was resigning as a result of a complaint of sexual harassment being investigated and substantially upheld. This is not the same as "claims of sexual harassment". AnneEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00869114756713316204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-61266370096322766582014-11-20T12:08:05.688+13:002014-11-20T12:08:05.688+13:00ok, last anon, this is the final warning on this t...ok, last anon, this is the final warning on this thread. either use a handle or don't comment. even something simple like the letters LD in the first comment are sufficient. and if you're going to make allegations about tina nixon being a bully, please provide evidence.stargazerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430290445762377335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-77949491580419621812014-11-20T11:31:53.448+13:002014-11-20T11:31:53.448+13:00sorry should read "at CERA herself"sorry should read "at CERA herself"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-82784125720597519362014-11-20T11:30:53.745+13:002014-11-20T11:30:53.745+13:00That would be Tina Nixon, The right wing Blogger (...That would be Tina Nixon, The right wing Blogger (Busted Blonde),failed National party candidate and a work place bully while at Herself? Hidden Agenda perhaps?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-39779994945450002042014-11-18T22:50:03.407+13:002014-11-18T22:50:03.407+13:00last anon, please feel free to repeat your comment...last anon, please feel free to repeat your comment using a consistent handle. and to respond to your point, all parties have signed confidentiality clauses. mr sutton was in breach of that when speaking at his press conference yesterday (see http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/63320784/Sutton-breached-confidentiality-Rennie)stargazerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430290445762377335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-51834528427929643902014-11-18T21:41:01.622+13:002014-11-18T21:41:01.622+13:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-55014064802377914132014-11-18T18:23:54.244+13:002014-11-18T18:23:54.244+13:00And also, I have no problem branding him an arseho...And also, I have no problem branding him an arsehole. He sexually harassed a woman (probably not just one - we all know that for every woman who has the courage to come forward there usually many others bullied into silence) who worked for him. "Arsehole" is one of the nicest things we could call him.Peonynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-74676532074242984112014-11-18T18:12:49.477+13:002014-11-18T18:12:49.477+13:00I'm glad he resigned. Good riddance. The cul...I'm glad he resigned. Good riddance. The culture needs to be changed, but it would be better changed by somebody who isn't tainted by sexual harassment. (How about - shock, horror - a woman?) Everybody is better off with him gone.Peonynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-1371093165297660432014-11-18T14:46:51.132+13:002014-11-18T14:46:51.132+13:00anon, no that's the same job. the article is ...anon, no that's the same job. the article is quoting tina nixon who used to work at CERA - see my quote of her facebook comment above. also, can you & other anon commenters please use a consistent handle as per our comments policy? thanx heaps.stargazerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430290445762377335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-11335635971435533972014-11-18T14:37:57.175+13:002014-11-18T14:37:57.175+13:00http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cf...http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11360487Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-78084647891726773512014-11-18T14:31:29.346+13:002014-11-18T14:31:29.346+13:00More is emerging. This guy has form in previous em...More is emerging. This guy has form in previous employmentAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-33484717339717771542014-11-18T12:09:00.232+13:002014-11-18T12:09:00.232+13:00chunda mars, actually my preference would have bee...chunda mars, actually my preference would have been that he stayed, made his apology in the workplace & then worked on changing the culture. i'm not going to berate him for not doing that, but that would definitely be my preference. also, if someone has behaved badly, they need to be held to account for that - i only used the word asshole in response to PM. better wording is that mr sutton is the one in the wrong here.<br /><br />on another note, this statement by tina nixon, "senior comms staffer" at CERA, is being circulating on twitter:<br /><br />"just for the record people - CERA was a robust environment. the most robust environment of the half dozen or so government departments i have worked for. so do people really think that a hug was what it was all about? i call on all journalists to apply some logic to this and get past the breathtaking PR snow job perpetrated by the self serving egotistical dictatorial narcisisstic nasty prick sutton is. then start asking some very hard questions of SSC, as no woman in the public service should currently feel confident that any complaint would be investigated professionally and without bias."<br /><br />so a little more than "some annoying behaviour" according to her.stargazerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430290445762377335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-69069533766036691402014-11-18T11:53:14.170+13:002014-11-18T11:53:14.170+13:00These sorts of stories definitely get everyone'...These sorts of stories definitely get everyone's hackles up, and lots of misinformed opinions get thrown around. <br /><br />For instance "...they in turn cost him his job". Well, no they (or she, really, as there's only one complainant) didn't - he wasn't sacked, or asked to resign, he did it of his own volition. So I think she can hardly be blamed for costing him his job. And it sounds as though leaving will be something of a relief for him and his family!<br /><br />On the other hand, "in choosing to resign, mr sutton has placed the complainant in an even more difficult position" - isn't this a damned if you do, damned if you don't sort of thing? Would you have been happier if he <i>hadn't</i> resigned? I kind of understand what you're getting at, but as with the above, he can hardly be blamed for other people's reactions towards her after his resignation. <br /><br />Then there's this pearler from Anonymous: "If he feels he did nothing wrong he should tough it out and see it through." Wait - when does he say he did nothing wrong? Doesn't he say the exact opposite, several times?<br /><br />Finally: "So who's the asshole here?" Why does somebody have to be declared an asshole at all?ChundaMarshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03803838827572648736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-6106206378970795742014-11-18T10:46:06.994+13:002014-11-18T10:46:06.994+13:00we don't just have allegations, we have statem...we don't just have allegations, we have statements from mr sutton as to his own behaviour. we have statements from him that he knows he has hurt one person and may have hurt others. we have a clear statement from him that he is not the victim. we have a statement from iain rennie that mr sutton's behaviour falls short of what was expected.<br /><br />you're right that we don't know if the woman asked him to stop his behaviour. she may well have done. or given the power differential and the atmosphere created by a series of incidents, she may not have felt safe to do so. she may have feared an even more toxic environment had she said something directly.<br /><br />your conclusion in the last paragraph do not fit any of the facts that are so far in the public domain. even mr sutton's own words don't support your conclusion. there was a complaint of sexual harassment here, that is not at all in dispute.stargazerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430290445762377335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-60330064516314500162014-11-18T10:36:51.183+13:002014-11-18T10:36:51.183+13:00We have only allegations and those are not open to...We have only allegations and those are not open to debate because no detail is available. We don't even know if the woman even asked him to respect her space when she realised he was a bit more familiar than she liked. An enquiry that supports your position is not necessarily "right" in its findings (were that not so rape victims would always win). <br /><br />If he could have been hung out to dry they would have done that which indicates its an asexual issue where his attempts at being supportive were misguided and unwelcome. We all know sleaze when we see it and there is no apparent claim of that here.<br /><br />3:16<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-24813560422664328242014-11-18T09:42:15.495+13:002014-11-18T09:42:15.495+13:00"He inflicted annoying behaviour on someone&q..."He inflicted annoying behaviour on someone"<br /><br />yup, that's exactly the kind of minimising that i was talking about in the post. sexual harassment is just written off as annoying behaviour. if a person is feeling unsafe in their workplace, they shouldn't have to shut up and put up. they have every right to put in a complaint. from mr sutton's own comments, he says he may have hurt other women as well.<br /><br />there has been an investigation which found his behaviour inappropriate. that would make him the asshole here.stargazerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430290445762377335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-58343070997990190342014-11-18T09:32:44.069+13:002014-11-18T09:32:44.069+13:00I have zero sympathy for Sutton. His attempt to mi...I have zero sympathy for Sutton. His attempt to minimise his behaviour is despicable. If he feels he did nothing wrong he should tough it out and see it through.<br />Sean Plunket nails it in his questions to the SSC on his Facebook page.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-73339821001877625962014-11-18T09:12:53.972+13:002014-11-18T09:12:53.972+13:00she will now be blamed for costing him his job, ev...<i>she will now be blamed for costing him his job, even though that may not have been the outcome she wanted.</i><br /><br />Tough. He inflicted some annoying behaviour on someone, they in turn cost him his job. So who's the asshole here? Neither one comes out of it smelling of roses, but only one of them gets publicly humiliated via the national news media so my sympathy's with that one.Psycho Milthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00779500926576047736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-31883671319311611692014-11-18T01:11:12.519+13:002014-11-18T01:11:12.519+13:00I have some knowledge of this situation and based ...I have some knowledge of this situation and based on that I would say the reporting fairly accurately reflects the situation. Sutton's behavior was inappropriate and rightly needed to be dealt with. There were several options available to do this. The path chosen by the victim led rather purposefully to the outcome we have seen. <br />LDAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com