tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post744733180575495783..comments2023-10-07T22:37:49.244+13:00Comments on The Hand Mirror: Guest post: Paul Henry makes a bad bad choicekatyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15742280289613450293noreply@blogger.comBlogger66125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-66528617487886373752009-04-02T13:04:00.000+13:002009-04-02T13:04:00.000+13:00James B (to differentiate from James G) you have a...James B (to differentiate from James G) you have already been asked to cease and desist - this blog is clearly not for you. We'll be deleting any future comments from you even if they don't break our comment policy because this is our place not yours and we are frankly fed up with you stamping around in the comment sections putting off other readers who are actually interested in intelligent friendly debate and discussion.Juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08977150346842277994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-15077543923105232812009-04-02T09:17:00.000+13:002009-04-02T09:17:00.000+13:00James, for Flying Spaghetti Monster's sake, it's n...James, for Flying Spaghetti Monster's sake, it's not a game of who can outlast longest in a debate. You don't "win" just because you have the last word. Operate on logic and you might have a better chance of being taken seriously.<BR/><BR/>If you decide to throw back "but ur bein the irrational wimmen, not letting it go!" then you've completely lost sight of why we're here in the first place. We fight long, hard, and usually pretty silently for our rights.<BR/><BR/>And censorship. By gum I get tired of the "freedom of speech!" screech I hear EVERYWHERE. Outright baiting, hate speech, and just plain rudeness (which was the original issue here!) is NOT freedom of speech. It's simply being an asshole. And the world can do with more informed debate and less assholes.A Nonny Moosenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-74776270483051400222009-04-02T00:45:00.000+13:002009-04-02T00:45:00.000+13:00And that is game to me.....the silly level of cens...And that is game to me.....the silly level of censorship you are sinking to says it all I think....<BR/><BR/>Ok you've read it ....delete it....as you have to.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-37501003844867799962009-04-01T21:39:00.000+13:002009-04-01T21:39:00.000+13:00Agreed, Deborah - it's in the trash can.Agreed, Deborah - it's in the trash can.Annahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06076244041878300351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-82135626979714252102009-04-01T20:04:00.000+13:002009-04-01T20:04:00.000+13:00Anna, I'm quite keen on deleting that last comment...Anna, I'm quite keen on deleting that last comment from James. What do you think? I know he's only making himself look silly, but I feel embarrassed that our blog is hosting that last thing he said. But I can live with it, if you are okay with it. Let me know...Deborahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14182573274494086468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-1459955150297366742009-04-01T19:56:00.000+13:002009-04-01T19:56:00.000+13:00James, your comments are boring and stupid. If yo...James, your comments are boring and stupid. If you feel like you need to annoy people to get attention, you have some personal problems. You'll note that most other people around here communicate like grown ups. If you can't do that, we'll continue to delete your comments until you manage to grasp some basic courtesy.Annahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06076244041878300351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-72189416044533130812009-04-01T19:19:00.000+13:002009-04-01T19:19:00.000+13:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-66197528267632371102009-04-01T17:33:00.000+13:002009-04-01T17:33:00.000+13:00Thank you Moose for bothering with James the Troll...Thank you Moose for bothering with James the Troll. He is going to be gone soon I hope. This blog is not about him, but he's trying to make it so. I don't mind debate, I find that fun, but this is not fun, it is a senseless grind that is taking the fun out of blogging for me and thus it has to end. If it's going to be me or you James then I think you'll find it's going to be you. Don't bother replying.Juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08977150346842277994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-46395298421450032162009-04-01T16:51:00.000+13:002009-04-01T16:51:00.000+13:00Victimhood? Is that something like that deserved e...Victimhood? Is that something like that deserved emancipation of downtrodden men (read: feeling their power is threatened) I keep hearing about?A Nonny Moosenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-80295149018543232162009-04-01T13:35:00.000+13:002009-04-01T13:35:00.000+13:00"Thanks James for explaining that you are not only..."Thanks James for explaining that you are not only incapable of seeing sexism you are also blind to racism. Such a relief to know that you are an equal opportunity bigot."<BR/><BR/>As Islam is a religion..therefore a body of ideas that is open to scrunity and challenge, and NOT a race I imagine you are feeling rather silly about now. ;-)<BR/><BR/>Indeed it is YOU who come closest to racism in that you are a collectivist re women.Racism is the lowest form of collectivism...and the fact that I can clearly see the sexism in Islam,declare my resolve to fight it to maintain the liberty of women like you only to earn a rebuke from same woman shows clearly that female liberation is not you goal....its hatred of men because they are men.<BR/><BR/>A real supporter of womens rights might have said "Thanks...thats nice to know."<BR/><BR/><BR/>"Also, your frequent use of elipses annoys me greatly"<BR/><BR/>Good....your frequent denegration of all women by claiming to spout your sad victimhood mantra on their behalf annoys me too....;-)Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-65303036833752854152009-04-01T11:47:00.000+13:002009-04-01T11:47:00.000+13:00To those who think we're wasting our time on such ...To those who think we're wasting our time on such a trivial thing: there is no argument too small in the feminist sphere. The moment we leave one small gap, we have the sexist/anti-pc brigade leaping through shouting "Haha! You snooze, you loose! You don't care about THIS section of women's right, you don't care about anything". It's hipocrasy, because when we show we care, we get slammed for crying over infantile issues. What do you want - us to care or not?<BR/><BR/>You want to deride us for our inconsistency James? Our consistency lies in dealing with EVERYTHING. Every Mouse, and every Elephant. <BR/><BR/>We can't change you, but as long as the debate continues the education is out there.A Nonny Moosenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-62356573621450864622009-04-01T10:24:00.000+13:002009-04-01T10:24:00.000+13:00Thanks James for explaining that you are not only ...Thanks James for explaining that you are not only incapable of seeing sexism you are also blind to racism. Such a relief to know that you are an equal opportunity bigot. <BR/><BR/>Also, your frequent use of elipses annoys me greatly.<BR/><BR/>Anon, if it's such a waste of time why did you waste yours by even commenting about it? Perhaps because you disagree with the post and wanted to make that clear? And I disagree with Henry's behaviour and attitude and want to make <I>that</I> clear, as have many others here.Juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08977150346842277994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-52455779491558898322009-03-31T23:20:00.000+13:002009-03-31T23:20:00.000+13:00This whole discussion is a waste of time. Stephani...This whole discussion is a waste of time. Stephanie Mills obviously doesn't care that she has a moustache otherwise she'd get rid of it. So why does it matter that Paul Henry brought it up, he was merely stating a fact.<BR/><BR/>All this fuss over the situation makes it all the more funny. Have a laugh once in a while, it feels good.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-22292639059259140902009-03-31T16:31:00.000+13:002009-03-31T16:31:00.000+13:00"James - your comments are only fanning the flames..."James - your comments are only fanning the flames. Don't give people ammunition, especially as some people here are so short sighted they will attribute your comments as a representation of all centre right men."<BR/><BR/>As a Libertarian,(by default a individualist-feminist) and therefore neither in the centre nor on the right that really dosen't phase me..but I appreciate the gist of your point.I am a pricker of pomposity,a mocker of sacred cows that aren't worth of the respect...blowing hot air on the cronically wet and whimpy..much as Henry does....I see a lot of that here which is why I comment and try to provoke some thinking amoungst the ladies.You seem all very intelligent and passionate women ...the kind I generally admire ...and desire.BUT...there is this victim mentality ozzing out of nearly everypost that engengers not respect... but derison and pity...is that what you really want to achieve? <BR/><BR/>In response to Alison...<BR/><BR/>"To those of you who keep climbing on your moral high-horse to make sweeping generalisations about "oppression in muslim countries";<BR/>can I suggest you take the few seconds necessary to read the profiles of the bloggers here? You will find out that one of the Hand Mirror bloggers IS muslim, and has written on multiple occasions about what that means for her and her feminism."<BR/><BR/>Have known that for awhile and am impressed...but where is the indignation from the rest of you...? Directed at the capitalist (mostly) West that has allowed Women to reach the highest standards of living,education,respect,achievement,position and protection of rights (real individual ones...not those bogus "rights" to a job, etc)...thats where.Hands up those who want the lifestyle of an Afgany women under the Teleban....no? thought not.<BR/><BR/>Im not saying there aren't some remaining issues here too (I struggle to think of any..) but as Mary Lou said....<BR/><BR/>'We do have it good in NZ, for you to compare a comment about facial hair with the oppression of women in Muslim countries then you're all barking mad. We are lucky to even be able to show our faces here."<BR/><BR/>Well said....theres a much greater threat to Women than the odd Un PC joke and thats the rising influence of Islamofascism on the West and the seeming enthusiasm of the Left biased media (your mates) to fawn over it,excuse it and not question its dogma and goals....which for Women everywhere should be the stuff of nightmares...Sure be offended by Henry etc....thats your subjective personal perogative...but there is also no right NOT to be offended....its the price we pay for living in the freest,enlightened and most prosperous era of humanitys history...so far.<BR/><BR/>It appears to me you are too busy shouting at the Western mouse when the Islamic Elephant gets to stand in the corner unacosted with an amused,evil look on his face.<BR/><BR/>I will fight to prevent that future from occuring....when you are jailed behing the burca and sharia law.I hope you will be standing at my shoulder when I do so.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-47055026047119540732009-03-30T23:18:00.000+13:002009-03-30T23:18:00.000+13:00To those of you who keep climbing on your moral hi...To those of you who keep climbing on your moral high-horse to make sweeping generalisations about "oppression in muslim countries";<BR/>can I suggest you take the few seconds necessary to read the profiles of the bloggers here? You will find out that <I>one of the Hand Mirror bloggers IS muslim</I>, and has written on multiple occasions about what that means for her and her feminism.<BR/><BR/>If you're going to attack the premise for the blog, at least get a clue about what you're actually attacking. At the moment you're hitting out at a straw-feminist who bears little resemblance that I can see to anyone posting here.Alisonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-74215435589786941262009-03-30T21:50:00.000+13:002009-03-30T21:50:00.000+13:00We do have it good in NZ, for you to compare a com...We do have it good in NZ, for you to compare a comment about facial hair with the oppression of women in Muslim countries then you're all barking mad. We are lucky to even be able to show our faces here.<BR/><BR/>James - your comments are only fanning the flames. Don't give people ammunition, especially as some people here are so short sighted they will attribute your comments as a representation of all centre right men.Mary-Lounoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-54968932789057680882009-03-30T21:40:00.000+13:002009-03-30T21:40:00.000+13:00Isn't this the second time (or is the third) that ...Isn't this the second time (or is the third) that you've said you are out of here?"<BR/><BR/>Yes I know but its like coming across a car accident...you know you shouldn't look and be entertained by the misfortue of others....but you just can't help yourself!<BR/><BR/>And think how dull it would be around here if I did leave...Who would Anna have to hate? ;-)<BR/><BR/>Maybe thats why I can empathise with paul Henry...he's like me at a different level...<BR/><BR/>Ps....any of you gals single?<BR/><BR/>(oopps!...obvious dumb question)<BR/><BR/>;-)Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-15837517841510650892009-03-30T21:26:00.000+13:002009-03-30T21:26:00.000+13:00Must be our animal magnetism."Theres a mo joke jus...Must be our animal magnetism."<BR/><BR/>Theres a mo joke just sitting up and begging there....but as you are suffering enough already I'll let it slide...;-0Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-45993239520970444372009-03-30T21:14:00.000+13:002009-03-30T21:14:00.000+13:00James I think I'll let that one stand. It rather ...James I think I'll let that one stand. It rather sums you up nicely. <BR/><BR/>Isn't this the second time (or is the third) that you've said you are out of here?<BR/><BR/>Must be our animal magnetism.Juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08977150346842277994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-92128951612407177932009-03-30T21:01:00.000+13:002009-03-30T21:01:00.000+13:00"James, don't you think people should be polite to..."James, don't you think people should be polite to each other?"<BR/><BR/>Henry was polite...he didn't attack Mills...he read out viewers letters after Mills had gone,he said clearly that it was no big deal....the viewers had the issue with Mills mo...and have for a long time.Henry was more fascinated by the "cone of silence" that is assumed to be in place around things like this...he pricked the bubble..it was television at its entertaining and thought provoking best.<BR/><BR/>"Didn't your mum teach you that?"<BR/><BR/>Julie! Nows shes bringing my Mum into it!<BR/><BR/> "Most people grow out of the kind of behaviour you're defending when they're about 11." I don't see that being rude to someone makes you a hero."<BR/><BR/>You wouldn't understand...you are at the heart of the problem that is engendering a fightback...see the supportive comments on youtube ...many from Women.People have had enogh...revolution is coming.<BR/><BR/>"And then you had to go and spoil it all with a second comment James that did break the rules. I will let the earlier one stand. For now."<BR/><BR/>Thats it...Im done.If a jokey comment like that is out of bounds then this is site that I want nothing to do with.....you must be very sad and miserable people....if even a humourous reference to a mans p***s gets you all upset then It shows that its not men who oppress you..its your own minds and fears...I pity you and hope you can live to enjoy life standing on your feet one day....<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>And for gods sake shave!<BR/><BR/>;-)Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-49636306503141397142009-03-30T16:56:00.000+13:002009-03-30T16:56:00.000+13:00NB Can you also explain to me why thinking Paul H...NB Can you also explain to me why thinking Paul Henry is a git with no social skills is self-pity? Or why this is a sign of tribalism? Or why this all makes you angry enough to abuse strangers?Annahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06076244041878300351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-89007504164636829192009-03-30T16:53:00.000+13:002009-03-30T16:53:00.000+13:00James, don't you think people should be polite to ...James, don't you think people should be polite to each other? Didn't your mum teach you that? Most people grow out of the kind of behaviour you're defending when they're about 11. I don't see that being rude to someone makes you a hero.Annahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06076244041878300351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-91282443232617168422009-03-30T16:25:00.000+13:002009-03-30T16:25:00.000+13:00And then you had to go and spoil it all with a sec...And then you had to go and spoil it all with a second comment James that did break the rules. I will let the earlier one stand. For now.Juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08977150346842277994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-44620077491286987152009-03-30T16:24:00.000+13:002009-03-30T16:24:00.000+13:00James you have finally managed to make your point ...James you have finally managed to make your point in a manner that is not unacceptably abusive. It's borderline, but I can see you've made an effort. Congratulations. <BR/><BR/>Of course I still don't agree with you. By focusing on the guest's appearance, rather than the issue she was talking about, Henry was being a bad bad journo. And a bad host. And - wait, how about you <A HREF="http://thehandmirror.blogspot.com/2009/03/precisely-why-paul-henrys-judgyness-is.html" REL="nofollow">read this post rather than I just recreate it all yet again?</A><BR/><BR/>Other commenters please feel free to rebutt James (or not).Juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08977150346842277994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-35026161095331794522009-03-30T16:19:00.000+13:002009-03-30T16:19:00.000+13:00No....its just that its so sterile here (well for ...No....its just that its so sterile here (well for men replying to women who can dish it but can't take it without a cry anyway...)whats the point of carrying on...?<BR/><BR/>Is a bit of return fire too much for you Amazon super babes to handle..?<BR/><BR/>That is the sort of PC wetness Paul Henry was on about.....and its striuck a cord with so many people who have had enough of this crap and are breaking out and saying so....its not about bashing women....its about being able to speak and not feel repressed to not be able to.<BR/><BR/>And that was the point Henry was making, not that Mills had a mo...but WHY was it taboo to mention the thing that everyone noticed right off...that Mills, a women, had a Mo? He was fascinated by this taboo...not so much the mo.Jamesnoreply@blogger.com