tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post8355133894331702065..comments2023-10-07T22:37:49.244+13:00Comments on The Hand Mirror: default humankatyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15742280289613450293noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-47745498640138763252011-08-10T20:58:13.717+12:002011-08-10T20:58:13.717+12:00I'm reminded, reading this post, of the beauti...I'm reminded, reading this post, of the beautiful book "All the women are white, all the blacks are men, but some of us are brave." About the collision between racism and sexism as lived in the lives of women of colour. Thank you, stargazer, for highlighting this othering. I agree with you, it's deeply problematic.LudditeJournohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13154447284268192467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-59134306936521283752011-08-04T15:15:54.868+12:002011-08-04T15:15:54.868+12:00KimV, I was addressing this
"i don't acc...KimV, I was addressing this<br /><br />"i don't accept your reading because it doesn't seem to make sense ie that men & women collectively make women stay indoors or cover up. "Carlistnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-17993034218138600982011-08-03T22:05:46.026+12:002011-08-03T22:05:46.026+12:00The way I read it, the comment denies agency for a...The way I read it, the comment denies agency for all women, not only Muslim women, because the clause "keep their women indoors" implicity juxtaposes the alternative of "let their women go outside". <br /><br />@ Psycho Milt, the content does make sense because it's meaning that children including boys get rickets because their mothers don't take them outside.Suzannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09219724287824443382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-31808105973494673702011-08-03T00:21:10.981+12:002011-08-03T00:21:10.981+12:00Carlist, that's not the point.Carlist, that's not the point.KimVnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-42174460908197606142011-08-02T13:05:34.149+12:002011-08-02T13:05:34.149+12:00I think in cases where Muslim women are pressured ...I think in cases where Muslim women are pressured to stay indoors the pressure sometimes comes from other women as well as men.Carlistnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-13994596755766384552011-08-02T10:40:49.909+12:002011-08-02T10:40:49.909+12:00anon, please respect our comment policy (clearly s...anon, please respect our comment policy (clearly stated above the comments box) and use a consistent handle.<br /><br />as to your point, even if your reading was correct, the construction still means that covering up is something that is done to women, rather than something they choose to do themselves. it denies agency. but i don't accept your reading because it doesn't seem to make sense ie that men & women collectively make women stay indoors or cover up. and it still puts women in a position of ownership ie being owned by the community. we're not property to be owned and never were.stargazerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430290445762377335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-59340114770615829772011-08-02T08:09:38.734+12:002011-08-02T08:09:38.734+12:00Curious.. had I not read your post prior to readin...Curious.. had I not read your post prior to reading the paragraph, I would have read that sentence differently. I'd have read 'Muslims' as the name of the collective - one where women, and indeed men, belong to the collective. <br /><br />As a ridiculous example: "And it's Muslims, who circumcise their males, who are the main beneficiaries of the new Aids prevention scheme" would read just as easily to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-15458779237625503402011-08-02T06:48:42.715+12:002011-08-02T06:48:42.715+12:00It's a nonsensical sentence, as Muslim women s...It's a nonsensical sentence, as Muslim women seem to be the subject of <i>"And it's Muslims... who are the main victims of this disease,"</i> but are the object of the clause <i>"who keep their women indoors or make them cover up when they go out."</i> So either the Muslim women are keeping "their women" indoors, or Muslim men are getting rickets because they keep "their women" indoors. Neither makes any sense.Psycho Milthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00779500926576047736noreply@blogger.com