tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post8902061367015825021..comments2023-10-07T22:37:49.244+13:00Comments on The Hand Mirror: look at that, it's catching...katyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15742280289613450293noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-55656053661727947572008-08-01T14:22:00.000+12:002008-08-01T14:22:00.000+12:00"second is that it takes focus away from where it ..."second is that it takes focus away from where it should be: on the offender. he's the one who needs to change his behaviour and attitudes."<BR/><BR/>Actually I think he's the one who needs to be castrated but that's another point..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-55956919318710652612008-07-31T20:29:00.000+12:002008-07-31T20:29:00.000+12:00ben, my response to sheikh al-hilaly's comments ca...ben, my response to sheikh al-hilaly's comments can be found here:<BR/>http://www.publicaddress.net/default,3643.sm#post<BR/>i suggest you have a read.<BR/><BR/>as anna says, by using language like this that implies blame for women, there are two problems. the first, as anna says, is that women in such situations are unlikely to come forward because they might believe they won't be treated sympathetically or because of the shame they feel of being so "stupid". the second is that it takes focus away from where it should be: on the offender. he's the one who needs to change his behaviour and attitudes.<BR/><BR/>anyway, for the rest of you, i don't quite feel up to facing mr hermann by myself. so i've left a message with the ethnic liaison person here (only because i already know him and he's a really nice guy). hopefully he'll help me with organising a meeting. if there are any other hamiltonians that would like to be involved with this, that would be very much appreciated!stargazerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430290445762377335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-49721710567863515052008-07-31T18:43:00.000+12:002008-07-31T18:43:00.000+12:00It doesn't need to be comparable to the words of S...It doesn't need to be comparable to the words of Sheik Hilali to be a problem. Implying that women walking home alone/wearing short skirts/drinking/whatever get raped in part because of their own foolishness discourages victims from coming forward.Annahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06076244041878300351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-9070104090157052862008-07-31T18:21:00.000+12:002008-07-31T18:21:00.000+12:00"but the way he has framed his words makes it soun..."but the way he has framed his words makes it sound like walking home late at night is now a crime."<BR/><BR/>I can see your point that the word "putting" seemingly attributes a degree of culpability to the victim. Unfortunately, a person walking home alone is more vulnerable. I don't think he's saying that is the women's fault though. <BR/><BR/>Overall, I felt he was pointing out how unusual this was. <BR/><BR/>As for saying it's the new way of saying "she asked for it", <BR/>it's hardly comparable to Sheik Hilali saying in Australia that "the uncovered meat is the problem." <BR/><BR/>http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20646437-601,00.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-24714780976797018152008-07-31T17:40:00.000+12:002008-07-31T17:40:00.000+12:00Thanks for highlighting this Anjum, I used it as a...Thanks for highlighting this Anjum, I used it as an example in a speech I gave today about the Lisa advert stuff (which I'm going to put up soon).<BR/><BR/>Kate from Auckland Sexual Abuse Help spoke at the forum too and she mentioned that the police now have Adult Sexual Assault Teams, which police officers specifically trained in how to deal appropriately with sexual violence. I hope this CIB detective sergeant is not in one of those teams...Juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08977150346842277994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-32537057302580273472008-07-31T09:38:00.000+12:002008-07-31T09:38:00.000+12:00Arrrgh I hate this shit. I went out for a quiet me...Arrrgh I hate this shit. <BR/><BR/>I went out for a quiet meal last Friday with the Suit at a bar that aside from several Suits drinking outside was empty. I soon found out why when one of the guys felt the need to grab my ass and when I swung around to give a 'WTF' started poking his tounge out porn-star style.<BR/><BR/>Yup even with with a man to 'protect' me apparently the streets aren't safe.Stephaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05680274679737065263noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-50009517207703957472008-07-31T09:34:00.000+12:002008-07-31T09:34:00.000+12:00I'm amazed that there are petrol stations still op...I'm amazed that there are petrol stations still open (or dairies for that matter). I mean, aren't people who work there making themselves vulnerable to P-fueled attacks and robberies simply by turning up for work?<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Contacting the detective and the district commander both sound like good ideas.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-68221734774015364942008-07-31T09:22:00.000+12:002008-07-31T09:22:00.000+12:00Lita, I share your discouragement on this issue. ...Lita, I share your discouragement on this issue. Your incident with your friend is just awful. I think the only way forward is to do as stargazer has done - look out for small opportunities to counter dominant ideas with something better. I'm not excusing the Police in this instance, but they do have an insular culture - there may be well-meaning people amongst them who just haven't had their thinking challenged on these issues.Annahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06076244041878300351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-33982924672314767412008-07-31T09:16:00.000+12:002008-07-31T09:16:00.000+12:00Ugh, the attitude is just so ingrained. I have be...Ugh, the attitude is just so ingrained. I have been recalling an experience where I took a friend to the police after being hit by her partner, the police basically told her to go home to him and to not cause trouble by making a formal statement.<BR/><BR/>It gets me so wild, remembering it, and hearing these attitudes.<BR/><BR/>This week I overheard a group of strangers talking about Veitch and how "crucified" he was, and how "noone cares what he did 2 years ago". The victim was labelled "a bitch" for bringing it up now. I had to move away, giving the evil eye for so long gave me a headache, it's just so depressing to hear this shit. <BR/><BR/>Folk seem to accept violence as a natural part of humanity, and even moreso male on female violence. It's so sad. How can the cycle of violence be stopped when this attitude prevails within our protectors and justice system?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-62442863986801860952008-07-31T09:10:00.000+12:002008-07-31T09:10:00.000+12:00Yes, absolutely yes, we need to say something. I ...Yes, absolutely yes, we need to say something. I share your sense that the guy was probably trying to be compassion - but this way of thinking about rape is, of course, very deeply ingrained. I agree with the softly, softly approach. I think - although I might be wrong - that the Police are trying to do better in terms of the way they deal with sexual violence. I'd like to support that, ideally, by getting them to question their thinking without making them too defensive. I reckon direct contact from you would be good. I'd also like to send an email to whoever is the district commander, explaining how alienated women feel when they read blaming comments.Annahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06076244041878300351noreply@blogger.com