tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post5808078660984379810..comments2023-10-07T22:37:49.244+13:00Comments on The Hand Mirror: However we dress, wherever we gokatyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15742280289613450293noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-86840923533754667102011-05-27T22:40:26.804+12:002011-05-27T22:40:26.804+12:00I'm not comfortable with reclaiming the word &...I'm not comfortable with reclaiming the word "slut" because to me it really is such and abusive word. Do we have to "reclaim" every single word that is used against us? I don't see blacks "reclaiming" the word "nigger" for example. To be sure they have reclaimed the word "black." I know that rappers use the word "nigger" but I suspect a lot of that is self depreciating. I wonder what the origins of this word "slut" are and if there is really anything positive to reclaim. However, I will probably attend the march, and perhaps I might get used to the word.presidenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14549433670171849520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-43374200194247885582011-05-27T11:40:14.445+12:002011-05-27T11:40:14.445+12:00If anyone did they wouldn't be welcome on my b...If anyone did they wouldn't be welcome on my blog. I appreciate you letting me link, your post is a really important one.Boganettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07253374355820020132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-65852587325434425292011-05-27T11:17:09.388+12:002011-05-27T11:17:09.388+12:00So long as no one objects to a trans woman's p...So long as no one objects to a trans woman's perspective being shared in the same space as theirs, I'm okay with that.<br />If anyone voices disapproval however, I'd like you to pull it immediately.Scarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17840417225669820002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-90833754667398505802011-05-27T10:29:10.614+12:002011-05-27T10:29:10.614+12:00I don't think your response was knee-jerk - or...I don't think your response was knee-jerk - or came across that way. I should have been clearer and I can definitely see the way it came across like I was misrepresenting you. That wasn't my intention but I'm well aware Intent Isn't Magic. <br /><br />I'm really glad that you've felt able to talk about this on this blog. I think it's really brave and I'm really thankful that I can learn from what you've said. I wish there was some way to make the walk less exclusionary and less of a privilege-fest. I think the dialogue so far has been good in raising awareness of just how exclusionary the walk is.<br /><br />With your permission I would really like to post your post on SlutWalk on my blog (in the May carnival I'm doing a Slut Walk round-up) - but I can understand if you'd prefer not to have your posts linked on my blog.Boganettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07253374355820020132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-26381053282271259592011-05-27T10:06:20.691+12:002011-05-27T10:06:20.691+12:00Sorry, that was a bit of a knee-jerk reaction as I...Sorry, that was a bit of a knee-jerk reaction as I'm always extremely wary of stepping on the toes of cis women by arguing with them or demanding acceptance.<br /><br />I felt that I had to clarify in case anyone reading this discussion had perceived my posts as being appropriative, demanding, aggressive or shouty.<br /><br />In every instance I will absence myself from an event rather than demand entry or demand it to change.Scarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17840417225669820002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-50374999626641774842011-05-27T09:55:48.835+12:002011-05-27T09:55:48.835+12:00I'm sorry Scar I didn't mean you with that...I'm sorry Scar I didn't mean you with that quote. It was a quote by Tarrant the LA SlutWalk organiser replying to Gail Dines and Wendy Murphy's criticisms of SlutWalk. I should have phrased it better, I'm sorry if it seemed like that was aimed at you.<br /><br />I totally respect your decisions around SlutWalk and the fact that it is exclusionary. And I appreciate your post and comments about it and what you've said on here about your reasons for why you do not feel comfortable attending. Your comments and those of other NZ bloggers have really made me question the walk instead of blinding supporting it and my privilege around why I jumped into supporting it before I actually read more about it.Boganettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07253374355820020132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-55778147249068068672011-05-27T09:14:19.125+12:002011-05-27T09:14:19.125+12:00I'd like to point out that there is no 'fi...I'd like to point out that there is no 'fighting amongst ourselves' in this instance; personally, I have decided not to attend the Slutwalk as I find it mildly exclusionary and because some people may have a problem with me being there.<br />I'm not attempting to change it or argue for change. Nor am I shouting at people for acceptance or inclusion.<br />Instead I'll be at Queer the Night, which IS inclusive and fewer people will have an issue with trans people being there.Scarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17840417225669820002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-72922380028395081672011-05-27T07:01:57.068+12:002011-05-27T07:01:57.068+12:00"Was the name "slutwalk" chosen bec..."Was the name "slutwalk" chosen because that was the word the policeman used" - Yep.Boganettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07253374355820020132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-89595887790489605262011-05-27T06:59:26.016+12:002011-05-27T06:59:26.016+12:00I love WeWalk and I wouldn't even consider not...I love WeWalk and I wouldn't even consider not going if it was called WeWalk.<br /><br />I keep going back and forth. I support it, then I read a post against it and I don't support it. Then I read something else and I'm back to being behind it. The naming of it is really problematic. And it's very exclusionary. I don't think that can be denied. But the chief cause is hugely important to me. And I keep being told it's not actually about reclaiming "Slut" but about victim-blaming and slut-shaming.<br /><br />This article helped me try to figure out where I stand.<br />http://msmagazine.com/blog/blog/2011/05/20/to-reclaim-slut-or-not-to-reclaim-slut-is-that-the-question/<br /><br />I particularly liked the pull-out quote from Tarrant: "SlutWalk is imperfect. All political movements are imperfect. Human beings are imperfect. But while we’re fighting amongst ourselves, sexual assaults keep happening."<br /><br />I'm glad criticism is coming out now though. For me - There is a lot of reading to be done before the walk.Boganettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07253374355820020132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-90833984628746029592011-05-26T23:11:26.999+12:002011-05-26T23:11:26.999+12:00Has anyone heard that Atlanta changed the name fro...Has anyone heard that Atlanta changed the name from slutwalk to wewalk? I love it. <br />http://wewalkatlanta.tumblr.com/post/5856800770/dear-participants<br /><br />Thanks for the link scar, it was really good to readScuba Nursehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00248129325790275090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-67425643663757958382011-05-26T22:29:57.853+12:002011-05-26T22:29:57.853+12:00Goodgravey, I will not be attending for the reason...Goodgravey, I will not be attending for the reasons I outined in my blog post:<br />http://scarletscorceress.blogspot.com/2011/05/why-i-wont-slutwalk.html<br /><br />If I were cis, I'd probably attend.<br />But I'm not.Scarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17840417225669820002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-23315496427125763812011-05-26T21:53:11.739+12:002011-05-26T21:53:11.739+12:00Yeah Goodgravey, I think that's right - the de...Yeah Goodgravey, I think that's right - the desire to protest victim-blaming sitting and the desire to reclaim the word "slut" - which might be separate for some people attending, and therefore the source of some tension.<br />I guess for me, they are entwined. Interesting to think about this in more depth.LudditeJournohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13154447284268192467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-21494986706711173192011-05-26T21:45:51.939+12:002011-05-26T21:45:51.939+12:00oooh both good reading. thanks people.oooh both good reading. thanks people.Scuba Nursehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00248129325790275090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-44650110929462934442011-05-26T21:37:42.925+12:002011-05-26T21:37:42.925+12:00I like Scube's approach. It strikes me that, ...I like Scube's approach. It strikes me that, through its evolution, SlutWalk has developed two quite separate forces. One to protest against the victim-blaming represented by the original comment, the other to re-claim "slut".<br /><br />The two approaches can both approach the event in their own way, because both approaches are valid (depending on your point of view).<br /><br />Like Scube, I am attending the event because of the need to bring attention to the issue, to demand that women (anyone really) is not blamed for being attacked or raped just because of how they dress or behave.<br /><br />If others want to do it to reclaim "slut", then good for them. Glad to have them there.<br /><br />Scar - I do hope you can come along despite the use of the term "slut".<br /><br />I rather liked this article - http://www.blogto.com/city/2011/03/the_origins_of_slutwalk_toronto/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-45861900207480360142011-05-26T19:02:07.986+12:002011-05-26T19:02:07.986+12:00this is also an interesting read.<a href="http://crunkfeministcollective.wordpress.com/2011/05/23/slutwalks-v-ho-strolls/" rel="nofollow">this</a> is also an interesting read.stargazerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00430290445762377335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-85015442953500294142011-05-26T17:24:28.106+12:002011-05-26T17:24:28.106+12:00Was the name "slutwalk" chosen because t...Was the name "slutwalk" chosen because that was the word the policeman used or have I missed something pivotal?Scuba Nursehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00248129325790275090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-22662475336815082092011-05-26T16:16:30.904+12:002011-05-26T16:16:30.904+12:00I must confess I have no interest in using or recl...I must confess I have no interest in using or reclaiming the word slut. <br />Slut walk is about more than that to me, and I have sort of ignored the "reclaim slut" part. I love reading these comments because I have a lot of the same feeling around the word and appreciate having smart people express it so well! Thanks.Scuba Nursehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00248129325790275090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-73729817551820168802011-05-26T15:28:56.658+12:002011-05-26T15:28:56.658+12:00Scar's point about the exclusiveness of 's...Scar's point about the exclusiveness of 'slut' for those who are deemed unfuckable is an important one. At least one slutwalk is defining slut as "a woman who enjoys consensual sex". Which as well as excluding those are deemed unfuckable, also excludes asexual people, and other groups of women who tend to be marginalised already. <br /><br />I don't think slutwalk has to be problematic. But I do think it's important to understand that the whole point of the virgin-whore dichotomy is that as well as being punished for having sex and facing a huge societal pressure/shaming/violence not to have sex (or for being perceived as having sex). Women are punished for not having sex and facing a huge societal pressure/shaming/violence to have sex. <br /><br /><a href="http://selftravels2010.livejournal.com/2497.html" rel="nofollow">This</a> is an interesting discussion of some of the class/race dimensions of 'slut' and their implications.Maiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17212711843307060731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-35242208245734167572011-05-26T15:00:59.079+12:002011-05-26T15:00:59.079+12:00Reclamation can be a powerful tool.
However, using...Reclamation can be a powerful tool.<br />However, using non-inclusive terminology (i.e.'slut') to name a protest against rape culture is still very problematic.<br />I see it as exclusionary. <br /><br />I've never been called a slut, as I'm inherently unfuckable and disgusting by virtue of being trans. What's there for people like me to reclaim?Scarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17840417225669820002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-35619592568192928502011-05-26T14:52:52.437+12:002011-05-26T14:52:52.437+12:00I've been called a slut so many times. I'm...I've been called a slut so many times. I'm so tired of it. Reclaiming it feels like I'm taking away the word as a weapon when it's constantly used against me (a cis-white-het-middle-class-feminist). But I can understand why other women don't want to reclaim it or don't feel the can reclaim it. But for me it's important to reclaim it because it's hurting me. It will be the one day where I call myself a slut instead of everyone else calling me one every other day of the year. And it's a reminder that even though I'm a 'slut' I wasn't to blame for my rape, I didn't ask for it and I didn't deserve it. No-one does.<br />-JMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-42687559765863743922011-05-26T14:52:22.981+12:002011-05-26T14:52:22.981+12:00I've been called a slut so many times. I'm...I've been called a slut so many times. I'm so tired of it. Reclaiming it feels like I'm taking away the word as a weapon when it's constantly used against me (a cis-white-het-middle-class-feminist). But I can understand why other women don't want to reclaim it or don't feel the can reclaim it. But for me it's important to reclaim it because it's hurting me. It will be the one day where I call myself a slut instead of everyone else calling me one every other day of the year. And it's a reminder that even though I'm a 'slut' I wasn't to blame for my rape, I didn't ask for it and I didn't deserve it. No-one does.Jessica Mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-5135802092953158082011-05-26T14:37:38.796+12:002011-05-26T14:37:38.796+12:00I think we have a misunderstanding. I haven't ...I think we have a misunderstanding. I haven't made any assumptions on who will be participating, I was commenting primarily on the demographic whom the organisers and promoters of the Slutwalk are from.<br /><br />If, for example, it were organised/brainstormed by trans women of colour, I don't think it would be called 'Slutwalk'.Scarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17840417225669820002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-52572364145500632572011-05-26T14:32:54.934+12:002011-05-26T14:32:54.934+12:00Cool post Luddite! See you there!Cool post Luddite! See you there!Ishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11430658182483074337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-49639296841234300652011-05-26T14:16:14.614+12:002011-05-26T14:16:14.614+12:00Slut has been used to describe me - as I said in t...Slut has been used to describe me - as I said in the blog, for being sex positive, and in the comment above, for being a bogan young woman who grew up in the Hutt Valley. I'll still be there.<br />I'm not sure your assumptions about those who may choose to participate are fair - I guess we'll see on the day - but your right to not participate is a given.LudditeJournohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13154447284268192467noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8770341086445997547.post-79811596226514157602011-05-26T13:48:23.780+12:002011-05-26T13:48:23.780+12:00"I think "slut" is absolutely class...<i>"I think "slut" is absolutely classed as a word"</i><br /><br />That's precisely what I was inferring; that when the word is regularly used to degrade you, then it becomes problematic to join in on a march that uses it in its title.<br /><br />But for those who are middle-upper class, the word has fewer damaging connotations and it's much easier to assume the mantle of a 'slut' for the walk because it's not something you'd ordinarily be called.<br /><br />Why this had to be called SLUwalk, I don't know. Probably because it's more attention-grabby and will get more media coverage.<br />But once again, it feels like the 'normal' feminists made this choice without bothering to consider the implications of the word for others who might want to march.<br /><br />It's the people who don't have to worry about messages regarding normalcy and deviance who are backing the Slutwalk.Scarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17840417225669820002noreply@blogger.com